Arthur Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Works Traffic The fictional history of Trafalgar works has it, by 1971, as a rod and bar mill and light section mill re-rolling billets supplied from Lackenby and Scunthorpe. Traffic in would be 4” x 4” steel billets. These would have slightly rounded corners so any suitable styrene section would be suitable. Tamiya used to do a 3mm x 3mm square section rod which would be ideal if still available. Traffic out would be light sections; solid rounds and rectangles from the bar mill and I, C, H, L and narrow, flat, sections up to about 8” max in a single dimension, from the section mill. A small mill like this might also roll quite complex special sections and Bulb sections but in 4mm they’re going to be difficult to model and the differences hardly visible anyway. No plate, the only plate roller in the Black Country was Patent Shaft who had a small plate mill, max. width 2250mm, and small mills, like Trafalgar, would have specialised, they wouldn’t roll plate and small sections. Colour & Texture Both traffic in and out is hot rolled, so has a relatively coarse surface finish and therefore a matt finish. Cold rolling is used to give the highest quality surface finish e.g. on steel sheet. For the load on the Guy, I used Humbrol Metalcote ‘Polished Steel’. It shouldn’t be polished, though I did draw it once through a dry rag just to impart a slight sheen to the narrow edges. It naturally dries to a nice matt, blue/grey colour. I did try ‘Gunmetal’ Metalcote, but it’s too black, the Polished Steel is just right. As for length, I’d make the billets either 30’ or 40’ long. Sections out, again 30’ was a widely used length, but make some variety, cutting to length was a simple procedure; whatever the customer wanted, or was prepared to handle. Clearly, passing traffic could encompass anything. Mark, I'm happy to put together a few loads, I'll wait until you post your requirements Edited January 22, 2013 by Arthur 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 Would the same wagons be used for both inward & outward loads, or would the wagons run empty one way ? I.e. Do the loads need to be removable / addable in the FY ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28XX Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Snip! Traffic in would be 4” x 4” steel billets. These would have slightly rounded corners so any suitable styrene section would be suitable. Tamiya used to do a 3mm x 3mm square section rod which would be ideal if still available. Snip! Arthur, 4" = 1.33mm in 1:76, or 3mm would be 9" ?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I agree Chris, that one looks nicely different from the norm, the base does look a little modern though, probably all that safety railing round the ladders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 A Ha, spotted the deliberate (Not!!) mistake. You are of course correct, my error. Now, if Tamiya did 1.3 mm square rods we'd be there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 There used to be the towers on Sedgley Beacon: http://www.sedgleymanor.com/historical/beacon_tower.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 A Ha, spotted the deliberate (Not!!) mistake. You are of course correct, my error. Now, if Tamiya did 1.3 mm square rods we'd be there.... I wonder if such relatively small-section rods would give the right impression. My recollection of trains of 4" bar, slowly passing Old Castle crossing at the start of their journey to the Midlands, is of fairly chunky pieces of steel, loaded in such a fashion that they looked almost like one solid piece. Might it produce a better looking result to have some longitudinally-scribed pieces of plastic sheet of the appropriate thickness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) This might be of some use, wagons loaded with sections at Dorman Longs Lackenby works on Teesside in 1966. These are generally larger sections than Trafalgar would handle, most are probably off the Universal Beam Mill, a very expensive bit of plant, Cargo Fleets cost £4 million in 1962. To give a bit more scope for modelling these sections, the mill could produce sections up to 1ft (4mm, I believe!!) and flat strip up to 18" (6mm). Edited January 22, 2013 by Arthur 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) A Ha, spotted the deliberate (Not!!) mistake. You are of course correct, my error. Now, if Tamiya did 1.3 mm square rods we'd be there.... Or if somebody did 50 thou square stock. Such as North Eastern scale lumber #NE3030 .048" X .048". Available from P & H. Near enough? Mike. Edited January 22, 2013 by Enterprisingwestern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 60 thou would be the best alternative, a little larger may make them look better, it's only .2mm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 60 thou is a doddle then, panic over. If you wanted your bar a bit bigger then; .http://www.ehattons.com/51495/Redscale_Models_1101_Square_Steel_115mm_/StockDetail.aspx Mike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I agree Chris, that one looks nicely different from the norm, the base does look a little modern though, probably all that safety railing round the ladders! I installed a water treatment tower as part of our (Derby) factory expansion in 1968/9. The access ladders were fitted with the safety hoops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Quick posting today, here's the painted footplate, wasp striping is next; The body, with it's adjusted rain strips, has had it's yellow coat and is being allowed to dry. Next update will be Thursday. TBC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 We love the works photograph - that's going in our exhibition slideshow. Mike and Judith Thanks Michael, glad you like it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2013 The building has now arrived at Chez Spams...here it is prior to the setting in (in purposefully made to socket a little on the small side to take account of the ins and outs etc) Well done Stu... 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr2 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Brilliant! When it's bedded in it'll look like it's been there forever...!! keith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Looks good on-site, nicely done Stubby! Quite a large model, but on site it emphasises and makes one realise the size of the BCB project. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2013 Right, thanks for the additional info an offers of help. For our bolster fleet we'll initially be using (mainly) twin bolsters and bogie bolster Cs (to be supplemented by (longer) Bogie Bolster Ds and (shorter) Bogie Bolster Es as/when time allows). The bolsters on the twin bolsters will accept a load of up to 22mm wide to a maximum length of 145mm (approx 36'). The bogie bolster Cs will support a load of either 16mm or 30mm depending on where we place the stanchions and up to a maximum length of 180mm (45'). My initial thoughts on material would be to use something like 2mm or 3.2mm I or H section, plus the square strip which Mike and Paul suggest above. One concern however is that those which I've made before have bowed slightly so no longer sit flat on the bolsters thoughts on how to prevent this would be appreciated. As ever, Paul Bartlett's website provides all the prototype inspiration we might need, such as: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbco/h18bb9dd#h12f45402 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbco/h18bb9dd#he085936 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbco/h18bb9dd#hdfd549e http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbco/h18bb9dd#h17e46b00 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbcv/h4eed9c50#h63ac521 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbcv/h4eed9c50#h26cdea6 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbcv/h4eed9c50#h1efc92f9 A more unusual shaped section: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbco/h18bb9dd#h12f45402 In our period I gather our the loads would (mainly) be chained rather than strapped. However, we need the loads to be removable to swap between inbound and outbound loads - so I need to give some thought to how we represent the chains. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 It's really fascinating to follow how this layout is coming together - and how you're overcoming the distance problem. Exciting stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2013 Bolster uprights (stanchions) were normally movable across the width of the wagon; one BR diagram showed all the potential positions and spacings, which Lima took at face value when doing the Bolster E..Instead of two stanchions per bolster, there were a dozen or so, with no space for the load.i'd never thought about that being the reason behind the Lima bolsters with all those stanchions Another 'metals' traffic which hasn't been mentioned yet was Pig Iron for the many foundries in the area; this might be conveyed in the specialist wagons built for it, or in Plate wagons. It could be represented by bits of sprue offcuts- a search for 'Pensnett' might produce photos of it.Some Plates loaded with pig iron here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard_davies_collection/6531212441/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2013 Landmark moment really...! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2013 Looks good on-site, nicely done Stubby! Quite a large model, but on site it emphasises and makes one realise the size of the BCB project. Yup, it's a monster, emphasised now buildings are arriving. Stu's building is a not so small 415 x 100mm and is dwarfed by the surroundings. It's now planted. A few minor adjustments... And it's in... Footpath to add next! 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 A few minor adjustments... I bet it was the loo - he built it larger than planned, didn't he?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2013 Two mind-numbing sessions of making hinges and barge boards. Roof now fabricated and primed. First coat on the walls and windows fixed. Grandad duty tomorrow, but hope to post some pics when I have finished that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted January 22, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2013 The 30 and 40 are ready for paint: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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