andykwilkinson Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 No probs Jonathan. Just take the DVD Player's remote to the next exhibition and it sounds like that'll be all sorted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) Well, me hearties. Life's changed a bit since the last post on here! Taking advantage where I can of the enforced lockdown situation, and despite the layout not being set up at the moment, some rolling stock progress to report. Firstly, the Quint set. Prior to Southampton, I'd managed to do some further work on the brake vehicles so now the equivalent work on the intermediate vehicles, fitting the truss rods, brake cylinders (on two of them) and gas tanks. And then windows. Jeez, that's a tedious job. No opportunity to put a strip in, due to compartment divides and doors so each one is cut and stuck in individually. I've tried to get the camera to catch the light in this photo so you can see that they're actually there - probably seen best on the left hand vehicle due to three of the droplights being at various open positions. I also did the brake vehicles as well, while I was at it. In the extremely unlikely setting of the Westmorland hills, the set thus poses for a 'complete' portrait. Well, I say 'complete' but they really need their class numbers on the doors … don't they? A search of pictures from the 1930s (at the end of their life) is a bit inconclusive. Aside from most pictures being too loco-centric to detect any door numbers, other photos are unclear and I'm wondering if they just didn't bother at the end with such older coaches? Or was it still 'sacrosanct' (presumably to at least show first class versus third) and they should be there?. I have to admit that it does look a little 'bare' when viewed like this... Meanwhile, with the set at least looking uniform, I've decided to build a loco to pull it! Not that we're exactly short of locos you understand, but I have had the kit in stock for some time and sourced all the motor/gears and wheels needed so if I don't build it now then when it is ever going to get built?! In fact, I've decided that this should symbolically be my 'Covid' project, so we'll have some thing to show for it when the present ghastly business is behind us. Ladies and gentleman, I give you ... Yet another GNR 4-4-0 'D' loco! T'will be the fifth available for service on the layout, a superheated D2, to go with my existing saturated version. Tony Wright has already built one of these as well for Mark Allatt. And I resolve to try and build a bit of it each day and try and beat my current 'record' for a kit build, a mere five weeks! So here we go ... Day 1 (Sunday 19th April). Basic chassis parts freed from fret and cleaned up ready for assembly. Day 2 (Monday 20th April) - coupling rods sweated together then all in the Poppy's jig for assembly. Out of the jig and further detail parts added (ashpan sides, rear springs and brake shaft brackets (rear)) Day 3 (Tuesday 21st April) - Brake hanger shafts and rear brake shaft parts added (not apparent in this view) and bogie frames assembled. Day 4 (Wednesday 22nd April) - bogie completed (axle bearings, tie rods and front guards fitted). I'm going to switch to the body super-structure for a bit now as I want that to hand when I'm working out best configuration of the motor and gearbox. More soon! Edited April 23, 2020 by LNER4479 26 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Well, me hearties. Life's changed a bit since the last post on here! Taking advantage where I can of the enforced lockdown situation, and despite the layout not being set up at the moment, some rolling stock progress to report. Firstly, the Quint set. Prior to Southampton, I'd managed to do some further work on the brake vehicles so now the equivalent work on the intermediate vehicles, fitting the truss rods, brake cylinders (on two of them) and gas tanks. And then windows. Jeez, that's a tedious job. No opportunity to put a strip in, due to compartment divides and doors so each one is cut and stuck in individually. I've tried to get the camera to catch the light in this photo so you can see that they're actually there - probably seen best on the left hand vehicle due to three of the droplights being at various open positions. I also did the brake vehicles as well, while I was at it. In the extremely unlikely setting of the Westmorland hills, the set thus poses for a 'complete' portrait. Well, I say 'complete' but they really need their class numbers on the doors … don't they? A search of pictures from the 1930s (at the end of their life) is a bit inconclusive. Aside from most pictures being too loco-centric to detect any door numbers, other photos are unclear and I'm wondering if they just didn't bother at the end with such older coaches? Or was it still 'sacrosanct' (presumably to at least show first class versus third) and they should be there?. I have to admit that it does look a little 'bare' when viewed like this... Meanwhile, with the set at least looking uniform, I've decided to build a loco to pull it! Not that we're exactly short of locos you understand, but I have had the kit in stock for some time and sourced all the motor/gears and wheels needed so if I don't build it now then when it is ever going to get built?! In fact, I've decided that this should symbolically be my 'Covid' project, so we'll have some thing to show for it when the present ghastly business is behind us. Ladies and gentleman, I give you ... Yet another GNR 4-4-0 'D' loco! T'will be the fifth available for service on the layout, a superheated D2, to go with my existing saturated version. Tony Wright has already built one of these as well for Mark Allatt. And I resolve to try and build a bit of it each day and try and beat my current 'record' for a kit build, a mere five weeks! So here we go ... Day 1 (Sunday 19th April). Basic chassis parts freed from fret and cleaned up ready for assembly. Day 2 (Monday 20th April) - coupling rods sweated together then all in the Poppy's jig for assembly. Out of the jig and further detail parts added (ashpan sides, rear springs and brake shaft brackets (rear)) Day 3 (Tuesday 21st April) - Brake hanger shafts and rear brake shaft parts added (not apparent in this view) and bogie frames assembled. Day 4 (Wednesday 22nd April) - bogie completed (axle bearings, tie rods and front guards fitted). I'm going to switch to the body super-structure for a bit now as I want that to hand when I'm working out best configuration of the motor and gearbox. More soon! Morning Red Leader, The quint set is looking wonderful, as is the D2. I just ordered a jig from Poppy’s, hoping to get started on a J6. If it’s okay, I’m going to send you that updated track plan to hopefully work out where and what signals I’ll need. Talk soon Jesse 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 G'Day Folks Hope this will be helpful. manna 8 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Lurvely teaking Graham! I’ve also been making a superheated D2 as my lockdown project. I’m four weeks in now and the loco is finished with the tender taking shape. I drove off the front axle on mine and tried to get the motor as low as possible so that I can pack the firebox with lead. Regards, Jamie 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 21 hours ago, manna said: G'Day Folks Hope this will be helpful. manna 2nd class as well as 3rd! Interesting. Also interesting that virtually all of the droplights are open. Fully. Presumably a hot day! Yes, I suspect I need to add them. No great hardship! Many thanks. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 24, 2020 Author Share Posted April 24, 2020 21 hours ago, JamieR4489 said: I’ve also been making a superheated D2 as my lockdown project. I’m four weeks in now and the loco is finished with the tender taking shape. I drove off the front axle on mine and tried to get the motor as low as possible so that I can pack the firebox with lead. Regards, Jamie Good for you, Jamie. Do feel free to share any pictures you might have on the thread 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted April 27, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) Continuing with the Covid LRM D2 project ... Day 5 (Thursday 23rd April). The superstructure starts with the footplating being erected on a folded up cradle which includes the valances. Day 6 (Friday 24th April). Cab and splasher parts prepared for assembly. Lockers doors and spectacle plates a-fastened and splashers folded and soldered. And duly assembled on the footplating (splashers just tacked for now) Day 7 (25th April) Boiler / smokebox parts prepared for assembly (error in folding the wrappers subsequently spotted and corrected!) All but final wrapper soldered up. Day 8 (26th April) I wouldn't normally show blobby soldering like this(!) but it gives an indication of the amount of individual solder joints and subsequent filing back required. In places, the solder is used as a filler but the fit of parts was generally very good so it was just a case of going steadily a small bit of time, pressing the wrapper in place until the solder holds. Phew, that's better! Quite pleasing final shape, nice and tight, symmetrical and remaining cylindrical despite 3 build up layers. And there we are. Footplating removed from cradle and boiler placed in position. Washout plugs have also been added. I'm leaving the boiler removeable for now, Next up - the basic tender construction. Edited April 27, 2020 by LNER4479 27 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 4 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Continuing with the Covid LRM D2 project ... Day 5 (Thursday 23rd April). The superstructure starts with the footplating being erected on a folded up cradle which includes the valances. Day 6 (Friday 24th April). Cab and splasher parts prepared for assembly. Lockers doors and spectacle plates a-fastened and splashers folded and soldered. And duly assembled on the footplating (splashers just tacked for now) Day 7 (25th April) Boiler / smokebox parts prepared for assembly (error in folding the wrappers subsequently spotted and corrected!) All but final wrapper soldered up. Day 8 (26th April) I wouldn't normally show blobby soldering like this(!) but it gives an indication of the amount of individual solder joints and subsequent filing back required. In places, the solder is used as a filler but the fit of parts was generally very good so it was just a case of going steadily a small bit of time, pressing the wrapper in place until the solder holds. Phew, that's better! Quite pleasing final shape, nice and tight, symmetrical and remaining cylindrical despite 3 build up layers. And there we are. Footplating removed from cradle and boiler placed in position. Washout plugs have also been added. I'm leaving the boiler removeable for now, Next up - the basic tender construction. Nice work Graham. My next loco build is an old w/m Premier kits D3 in superheated form so its 4-4-0s galore! Also the quint looks great. Andrew 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard i Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 People say that four coupled are the hardest to get to work, and yet everyone is having a go building them. What does that say about the lockdown? richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, richard i said: People say that four coupled are the hardest to get to work, and yet everyone is having a go building them. What does that say about the lockdown? richard We've all gone loopy? 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Well, if anyone needs a satisfying evening lockdown activity, I can heartily recommend starting the Grantham thread from scratch and reading through to the present day. That’s taken me about two weeks, and I’ve now a folder of useful ‘Grantham tips’ screenshots to refer back to on what’s surely one of the all-time great exhibition layouts. I’ve only managed to catch GTSY in ‘the flesh’ once, at the very end of the 2019 Spalding show – one of those typical best-laid-plans weekends which kept chipping away at my time, only leaving me with the tail end of Sunday spare. Managed to get a good half-hour’s viewing time in at Peascliffe tunnel and the turntable area, marvelling at the attention to detail. What a joy to see express trains at speed, while life potters on at a slower pace on shed. That same afternoon I made the acquaintance of Tony Wright and scored an invitation to visit Little Bytham. Not a bad last-minute visit, in the end! Hopefully there’ll be chances to enjoy it again soon. Thanks to everyone who’s contributed to such a rich thread, and the supremely evocative LNER heyday depiction. A tremendous inspiration. Now, who can direct me to page 1 of ‘Wright Writes’..? 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted April 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, LNER4479 said: We've all gone loopy? Yes as they are not lined crimson lake or lined LMS/BR black! Baz 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LNER4479 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2020 The Covid challenge continues ... Time to switch to the tender, to catch up with the loco Day 9 (27th April) This isn't in the instructions! These are the inner frames, being ... er ... modified. All will be revealed in a moment. Frames being assembled via the simple expedient of some 8BA nuts n bolts. Now assembled. OK, so the idea here is that these frames are effectively pivoted via the rear axle, hence the pointed axle ends, with the other two plain. As built, the frames are intended to be fixed to the main tender body so the 'mod' was to remove the top 2mm or so of the frames to allow for the up and down movement. Day 10 (28th April) Basic tender body assembled - the tank body is one single piece which has to be bent to shape so as to fit into the half etch recess in the tender base piece. Day 11 (29th April) The interior pieces fitted and the mainframes prepared. Frames now fitted. This shows the bearings fitted to the rear axle end, ready for the ... Trial fitting of the inner frames. This shows how the tender body can move up and down at the front end, the concept being that the tender drawbar will rest on the rear of the engine to transfer some weight to assist with the balance and traction of the loco. Day 12 (30th April) Some tender detail work - rear buffer beam (together with devilishly fiddly gusset assemblies!) Tank top details - lifting lugs, toolboxes and rear filler. Day 13 (1st May) The distinctive but tricky tender tank flare, here shaped and ready to be fitted. The instructions (yes, they do get read on occasions) recommend starting with the middle section - who am I to argue? How did I set this up ready for the all important first solder? Sellotape! The solder takes before the Sellotape has time to melt. simples. Now all soldered up but yet to be cleaned up. A lower down view shows off the flare and also shows the method of filling in the curved corner. It'll be even better once cleaned up. More again in a few days ... nearly two weeks in; will I beat my five week 'record'? 23 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Mmmmm, gusset assemblies. Nice work. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 I’m enjoying the build sequence. It’s an ingenious idea with the tender frames. Have you used this before or is it a trial? Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted May 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2020 That looks a really simple idea with the inner frames, I'll be interested to see how well this works. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 I've certainly built tenders in various ways so that the front of the tender flops down onto the loco drawbar. Using that rear axle as the pivot is a new idea to me. How much of a struggle is it to spring it in and out of the bearings, without damage, should service access be required? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffer Davies Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 10 hours ago, LNER4479 said: The Covid challenge continues ... Time to switch to the tender, to catch up with the loco Day 9 (27th April) This isn't in the instructions! These are the inner frames, being ... er ... modified. All will be revealed in a moment. Frames being assembled via the simple expedient of some 8BA nuts n bolts. Now assembled. OK, so the idea here is that these frames are effectively pivoted via the rear axle, hence the pointed axle ends, with the other two plain. As built, the frames are intended to be fixed to the main tender body so the 'mod' was to remove the top 2mm or so of the frames to allow for the up and down movement. Day 10 (28th April) Basic tender body assembled - the tank body is one single piece which has to be bent to shape so as to fit into the half etch recess in the tender base piece. Day 11 (29th April) The interior pieces fitted and the mainframes prepared. Frames now fitted. This shows the bearings fitted to the rear axle end, ready for the ... Trial fitting of the inner frames. This shows how the tender body can move up and down at the front end, the concept being that the tender drawbar will rest on the rear of the engine to transfer some weight to assist with the balance and traction of the loco. Day 12 (30th April) Some tender detail work - rear buffer beam (together with devilishly fiddly gusset assemblies!) Tank top details - lifting lugs, toolboxes and rear filler. Day 13 (1st May) The distinctive but tricky tender tank flare, here shaped and ready to be fitted. The instructions (yes, they do get read on occasions) recommend starting with the middle section - who am I to argue? How did I set this up ready for the all important first solder? Sellotape! The solder takes before the Sellotape has time to melt. simples. Now all soldered up but yet to be cleaned up. A lower down view shows off the flare and also shows the method of filling in the curved corner. It'll be even better once cleaned up. More again in a few days ... nearly two weeks in; will I beat my five week 'record'? Is this the LRM horseshoe tender? In which case I have one of these to build for a model of a J1 so thank you for a heads up on the construction. I have just completed the design for etches for the J1 because there is no kit currently available; unless someone on here knows differently. But thinking about it, if you do know of a kit please don’t tell me now after al the work I’ve put in on CAD. Regards to all, Frank 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chuffer Davies said: Is this the LRM horseshoe tender? In which case I have one of these to build for a model of a J1 so thank you for a heads up on the construction. Frank That's the one, Frank. A Paul Craig production, with assistance from the late Malcolm Crawley. 3 hours ago, gr.king said: I've certainly built tenders in various ways so that the front of the tender flops down onto the loco drawbar. Using that rear axle as the pivot is a new idea to me. How much of a struggle is it to spring it in and out of the bearings, without damage, should service access be required? Not too difficult to remove Graeme, as there isn't any additional structure other than the basic sideframe etch. 4 hours ago, Jon4470 said: I’m enjoying the build sequence. It’s an ingenious idea with the tender frames. Have you used this before or is it a trial? Jon I have indeed done this before and it will be the third 4-4-0 loco I've built so fitted. My D2 already running on Grantham has the same arrangement fitted. Some pix below from that build. Note the light spring also fitted close to the front axle. This is there to ensure that the middle and front wheelsets stay in contact with the rail (rather than just being left to flop around) whilst still leaving some room for the press down effect. Adding weight to the front of the tender obviously increases the latter effect. These were all posted previously on page 20 of the thread, in July 2013 - keep up, chaps! Edited May 2, 2020 by LNER4479 15 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 5 hours ago, LNER4479 said: These were all posted previously on page 20 of the thread, in July 2013 - keep up, chaps! I promise to pay more attention in future.. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 6 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Good to see that you stored those wheel sets in moisture-free conditions..... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, gr.king said: Good to see that you stored those wheel sets in moisture-free conditions..... 'Twas attributed to a bad batch of flux. Now eradicated. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted May 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 hours ago, LNER4479 said: 'Twas attributed to a bad batch of flux. Now eradicated. The dreaded Baker's Fluid would have done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 5 hours ago, St Enodoc said: The dreaded Baker's Fluid would have done that. G'day Folks Only flux I can get on with. manna 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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