RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2012 Right then gentlemen I have a dilemma.As no one has replied to this thread here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/57982-taunton-based-castles-in-gw-days/page__fromsearch__1, I want the new later this year Castle in post war livery so :I have four options. Rename it to 5077 'Fairey Battle' .Has correct tender for period but is Taunton shed based. or Rename it to 5078 'Beaufort' .Wrong tender for period by 6 years but was NA based for my period. or Wait for Hornby to do a post war liveried Castle with Collett tender.or Don't buy any and give the money to swmbo to treat themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2012 Right then gentlemen I have a dilemma.As no one has replied to this thread here http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1, I want the new later this year Castle in post war livery so :I have four options. Rename it to 5077 'Fairey Battle' .Has correct tender for period but is Taunton shed based. or Rename it to 5078 'Beaufort' .Wrong tender for period by 6 years but was NA based for my period. or Wait for Hornby to do a post war liveried Castle with Collett tender.or Don't buy any and give the money to swmbo to treat themselves. Crrikey Rob - more than one wife, you've kept that quiet I didn't answer because I haven't got a clue how it was used although there's always the possibility that it was occasionally pinched to cover a failure so could have gone Down road as readily as Up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2012 Crrikey Rob - more than one wife, you've kept that quiet I didn't answer because I haven't got a clue how it was used although there's always the possibility that it was occasionally pinched to cover a failure so could have gone Down road as readily as Up. A failure on the GWR ? Unheard of surely and I don't live in Kuwait so one wife is plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2012 A failure on the GWR ? Unheard of surely and I don't live in Kuwait so one wife is plenty. Poor coal was usually to blame for failures - it has been said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted June 24, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2012 Right then gentlemen I have a dilemma.As no one has replied to this thread here http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1, I want the new later this year Castle in post war livery so :I have four options. Rename it to 5077 'Fairey Battle' .Has correct tender for period but is Taunton shed based. or Rename it to 5078 'Beaufort' .Wrong tender for period by 6 years but was NA based for my period. or Wait for Hornby to do a post war liveried Castle with Collett tender.or Don't buy any and give the money to swmbo to treat themselves. Hi Rob, Presumably Castles were shedded further West from Taunton in the pre-War period? Surely Newton Abbot and Plymouth would have had an allocation, although I have no way of checking. OT the excellent Wild Swan book of GW engine sheds (London division) - I wonder why this wasn't made into a series of books to cover other regions? Back on-topic: A while ago, I also wondered about my next Castle. At that time, I wanted a loco with a Collet tender, but obviously Hornby had the Hawksworth tender for the GW version. In the end, I found another Tintagel on Ebay and at a reasonable price £90 I think. I do think it strange that the only version with a Collet tender is the BR livery. I am hoping that Hornby will announce a Collet tender, with GW shirtbutton livery for 2013 Good luck with your deliberations! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2012 Hi Rob, Presumably Castles were shedded further West from Taunton in the pre-War period? Surely Newton Abbot and Plymouth would have had an allocation, although I have no way of checking. OT the excellent Wild Swan book of GW engine sheds (London division) - I wonder why this wasn't made into a series of books to cover other regions? Back on-topic: A while ago, I also wondered about my next Castle. At that time, I wanted a loco with a Collet tender, but obviously Hornby had the Hawksworth tender for the GW version. In the end, I found another Tintagel on Ebay and at a reasonable price £90 I think. I do think it strange that the only version with a Collet tender is the BR livery. I am hoping that Hornby will announce a Collet tender, with GW shirtbutton livery for 2013 Good luck with your deliberations! I wanted one of the 'aircraft' castles especially if Hornby get the detail correct.There were three at NA in1946 in 5071,5072 and 5078 all with the Collett tender at that time.Hence me looking at Taunton with Fairey Battle.Laira didn't have any 'aircraft' castles then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Bear Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Has anyone been brave enough to doctor the 1928 livery Tintagel to the later liveries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2012 Has anyone been brave enough to doctor the 1928 livery Tintagel to the later liveries? Ah Ah an option 5 and no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Has anyone been brave enough to doctor the 1928 livery Tintagel to the later liveries? No but I have just finished doctoring City of Bath from 1912 livery to its final 1928 guise with larger tender so anything is possible. A good friend has doctored Tintagel by changing the tender to a 3,500 gallon, which was attached for a period in the early thirties. Mike Wiltshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted June 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Would be interested to know just how difficult rebranding the tender that comes with tintagnal is, at some point I need to rebrand mine to 1940s G W R and based on Past experience I'm a bit worried that it will leave a lot of ghosting from the old logo. The intention being to rename tintagnal to Berkeley with the hanksworth tender and then renumber Wellington to Nunney with the 3.5k tender Fairly sure I remember being told those 2 combinations are accurate Edited June 24, 2012 by The Fatadder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 25, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2012 I just received R2822 Earl Cairns. Runs like a dream but there is not printed shedcode on the smokebox door. No Quality control again. Not really a major as i am adding an etched one but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 A good friend has doctored Tintagel by changing the tender to a 3,500 gallon, which was attached for a period in the early thirties. Mike Wiltshire Just found the image his conversion is based on. Tender still has full garter coat of arms so pre dates Tintagel Castle build date by several years. Prototype for everyting! Mike Wiltshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Would be interested to know just how difficult rebranding the tender that comes with Tintagal is, at some point I need to rebrand mine to 1940s G W R and based on Past experience I'm a bit worried that it will leave a lot of ghosting from the old logo. If finish is the same as the Hornby County tender used for the City conversion (and as the same Chinese factory is usually involved) then your experience should be the same as mine. An application of brake fluid over the transfer to be removed area only,(I use a small modelling paint brush). As soon as the transfer appear to lift, wipe it all off and wash down. From pic below, It left no indication of the original " GREAT WESTERN". I needed to preserve the lining and this was unaffected.. Good luck Mike Wiltshire 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted June 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 25, 2012 Thanks, sounds very promising. Hopefully once Brassmasters get round to covering the Castle in their chassis conversion packs I will be inspired to get on and actually do the rebranding. Still, even once I have got round to rewheeling and bringing the logos up to 1947, its still going to be useless for Cheddar. Though that's not going to stop me from playing with it at home! (And I am sure that the silly hour at the end of the day at shows will eventually end up seeing a Castle on a pair of B sets.....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 29, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2012 Has anyone been brave enough to doctor the 1928 livery Tintagel to the later liveries? The thing with using Tintagel for other names is it has the 'vauxhall' front and this was changed from 5012 if I'm not mistaken.So using 'Tintagel' on a post war liveried version might be problematic.Research is the key and being brave in removing the tender lettering too. Hattons have informed my the Hawksworth 'Wellington' Castle will be released in November but in the meantime... Anyway heres my latest incarceration in 5049 'Earl of Plymouth'.Its renamed from a BR early crest Beverston.It has a few incorrect for 5049 details that I can live with and is perfect for recreating my R C Riley 1957 photo on Dainton so there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Hello all masters of Western region knowledge etc... Im needing advice on the paint colour of two of Hornby's releases for a tender swap. I am able to purchase a tender from a model of Earl Cains, in BR early crest and want to swap it with a tender purchased off Clun Castle. Do people know whether the paint schemes on the two are fairly similar (Im thinking that someone has bought both somewhere and would know) and also is the tender the same as the newest Castle locomotives being released? Thanks in advance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Taz Posted September 10, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2012 David, I'm assuming that it is the latest Earl Cairns you are getting the tender from (Hornby released an Earl Cairns version of their previous Castle model)? If so, the tenders from the two models will be mechanically identical and interchangable. The only difference between early and late BR green is the crest so the two tenders should match livery wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hello Brian I was thinking that the crest would be all thats different but was wondering about whether the shade was slightly out given its two different production runs and was hoping someone would be able to have the two side by side and let me know if its more or less okay to do it. Yes the tender is from a new Earl Cains, the one from the Watermann collection series, but by marrying it with Clun Castle and a renumber I end up with none other than 5043 Earl of Mount Edgcumbe.. which despite northern loyalties I've developed a massive soft spot for! Sshh! Keep it secret... or my new year rant about no NER engines made will be blown out the water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Taz Posted September 10, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2012 Sorry, can't help you on that one as all my Castles are from the first batch. One thing to watch out for though is the cab side handrails. Clun Castle has L shaped handrails but the Earls would have had the earlier horizontal ones. Your secret is safe with me. Welcome to the dark side 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 11, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2012 I just received R2822 Earl Cairns. Runs like a dream but there is not printed shedcode on the smokebox door. No Quality control again. Not really a major as i am adding an etched one but still. Not necessarily a quality control issue, as with most loco's in the steam era they didn't always run with shedcode plates fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Sorry, can't help you on that one as all my Castles are from the first batch. One thing to watch out for though is the cab side handrails. Clun Castle has L shaped handrails but the Earls would have had the earlier horizontal ones. Your secret is safe with me. Welcome to the dark side Dark side? Everything NER was pretty much Black! Sure your not falling for my influences on that one. Meanwhile, surely someone has a model of Earl cains and Clun Castle that they could just put the the tender from the first and the body of the latter together to see if they match. Actually have rang Hornby who said they dont sell replacement tenders.... so not much help there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 9, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2012 How would you know if you had a incorrect Tintagel Castle from the first batch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matabiau Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 How would you know if you had a incorrect Tintagel Castle from the first batch? Some Tintagel Castle models incorrectly had a BR number plate on the smokebox door. This was never present in GWR days and as such not appropriate for Tintagel Castle with its GWR livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 9, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2012 Some Tintagel Castle models incorrectly had a BR number plate on the smokebox door. This was never present in GWR days and as such not appropriate for Tintagel Castle with its GWR livery. Someone in the factory in China was not paying attention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) Rob, two pictures comparing Hornby 'new' Castle Tenders. I would say the two tenders are identical in colour. Colours are difficult to assess so I have taken one picture with 'Flash' and the other 'timed'. Regards Ray PS I know some of you have visited my own Blog but just to remind you there are two or three posts commenting on the 'new' Castles With Flash and timed Edited November 14, 2012 by Silver Sidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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