RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 6, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2014 I hope everyone voted for GWR coaches in the recent poll to compliment these beautiful engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I voted for Toplights from memory but the question remains 'which would be most likely/common/attractive'? In photographing some pre-war GWR trains in the next wee while, I think I'll use some old Hornby gangwayed things in GW livery and hope nobody notices shortcomings! The shape looks about right to me. .. if swathed in smoke. I have a King 6029 and a Tintagel Castle to which I have not yet done justice... not to mention 7202 and sundry 2-8-0s. Is there a cure for Swindon influences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 6, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2014 I voted for Toplights from memory but the question remains 'which would be most likely/common/attractive'?In photographing some pre-war GWR trains in the next wee while, I think I'll use some old Hornby gangwayed things in GW livery and hope nobody notices shortcomings! The shape looks about right to me. .. if swathed in smoke. I have a King 6029 and a Tintagel Castle to which I have not yet done justice... not to mention 7202 and sundry 2-8-0s.Is there a cure for Swindon influences? No.....even Stanier learned his trade there....and learned it well,to judge from my experience behind 46233 (again) last weekend up Shap and Aisgill.A boyhood dream fulfilled...off topic again,sorry.....drool.drool. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2014 I hope everyone voted for GWR coaches in the recent poll to compliment these beautiful engines. I voted for anything Big 4 and Private Owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I hope everyone voted for GWR coaches in the recent poll to compliment these beautiful engines. Hear hear - and lots of people did: Here's the top of the coaching poll: 316 ... BR Mk1 Brake Second Open (BSO, Diags.183 & 184, built 1955-63) 314 ... BR Travelling Post Office Stowage Brake Van (Mk1 Diag.723 built from 1959) 299 ... GWR Churchward Toplight Coaches (1907-1922) 251 ... GWR Collett Gangwayed Coaches Bow Ended & Flat Ended (1923-1936) I voted for Toplights from memory but the question remains 'which would be most likely/common/attractive'? And Toplights were indeed tops in pre-nationalized coaches in the poll. Just the thing for Caerphilly Castle after it arrives. Edited November 7, 2014 by Ozexpatriate 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) Here is a version of GWR coaching stock .... looks alright to me especially considering the price for these things these days. That said new carriages to Hornby's best current standards would surely sell ok if priced at under £35 ea.? And you can buy the engine in the pic., or similar, for £45-90 on Ebay and the carriages would be literally pennies. https://www.facebook.com/brsteamphotos/photos/a.378493222316349.1073741838.203786143120392/382621678570170/?type=1&theater Cheers, Rob Edited November 9, 2014 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Hear hear - and lots of people did: Here's the top of the coaching poll: 316 ... BR Mk1 Brake Second Open (BSO, Diags.183 & 184, built 1955-63) 314 ... BR Travelling Post Office Stowage Brake Van (Mk1 Diag.723 built from 1959) 299 ... GWR Churchward Toplight Coaches (1907-1922) 251 ... GWR Collett Gangwayed Coaches Bow Ended & Flat Ended (1923-1936) And Toplights were indeed tops in pre-nationalized coaches in the poll. Just the thing for Caerphilly Castle after it arrives. I must say Caerphilly Castle is likely to be a beautiful model and highly sought-after if the paintwork is Hornby's best. Due early Feb next year according to Hornby.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 And Toplights were indeed tops in pre-nationalized coaches in the poll. Just the thing for Caerphilly Castle after it arrives. Apart from Hornby's 4073 is in preserved condition with fire iron tunnel and coat of arms logo on tender. It never ran in GWR days in this form. I have one ordered which I will take the knives and drills to it, retro 4073 back to 1923 condition with cab rainstrips and replacement garter crest on tender to look like this https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=4073+caerphilly+castle&safe=vss&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=859&tbm=isch&imgil=pWn_YiJmoBzZcM%253A%253BOCubtFOnoPBRyM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.railpixtc.co.uk%25252FSteam%25252FPreserved-Railways%25252FSwindon-Museum&source=iu&pf=m&fir=pWn_YiJmoBzZcM%253A%252COCubtFOnoPBRyM%252C_&usg=__yCiO-Gg30XXk0rzlnxy3YoG2dRc%3D&ved=0CEsQyjc&ei=3ppgVNu7LsznaNqFgoAN#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=H4DqSnvQUZTejM%253A%3BN-c0IAHjykXJYM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages-00.delcampe-static.net%252Fimg_large%252Fauction%252F000%252F220%252F781%252F540_001.jpg%253Fv%253D6%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.delcampe.net%252Fpage%252Fitem%252Fid%252C220781540%252Cvar%252C1980s-Railway-Photo-Card-GWR-4073-Caerphilly-Castle-PADDINGTON-1923-4-6-0-Loco-BBC-Hulton-Repro%252Clanguage%252CE.html%3B1001%3B730 Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 So really the only thing that can correctly go behind Hornby's 4073 is the prototype Deltic (well, up to 1993 at least)! :-p 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Would that be a similar tale to the black war time A3 with double chimney and small German Smoke Deflectors?Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 10, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2014 Would that be a similar tale to the black war time A3 with double chimney and small German Smoke Deflectors? Ray That's a case involving amputation of deflectors and 'transplant' of Brassmasters single A3 chimney . The NRM model of course is a representation of a 'soon to be' version .Fair enough....but for authenticity,obviously not.Makes a nice model when it's had cosmetic surgery.Hopefully,4073 won't need anything quite as extreme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Apart from Hornby's 4073 is in preserved condition with fire iron tunnel and coat of arms logo on tender. It never ran in GWR days in this form. I have one ordered which I will take the knives and drills to it, retro 4073 back to 1923 condition with cab rainstrips and replacement garter crest on tender to look like this https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=4073+caerphilly+castle&safe=vss&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=859&tbm=isch&imgil=pWn_YiJmoBzZcM%3A%3BOCubtFOnoPBRyM%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.railpixtc.co.uk%2FSteam%2FPreserved-Railways%2FSwindon-Museum&source=iu&pf=m&fir=pWn_YiJmoBzZcM%3A%2COCubtFOnoPBRyM%2C_&usg=__yCiO-Gg30XXk0rzlnxy3YoG2dRc%3D&ved=0CEsQyjc&ei=3ppgVNu7LsznaNqFgoAN#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=H4DqSnvQUZTejM%3A%3BN-c0IAHjykXJYM%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fimages-00.delcampe-static.net%2Fimg_large%2Fauction%2F000%2F220%2F781%2F540_001.jpg%3Fv%3D6%3Bhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.delcampe.net%2Fpage%2Fitem%2Fid%2C220781540%2Cvar%2C1980s-Railway-Photo-Card-GWR-4073-Caerphilly-Castle-PADDINGTON-1923-4-6-0-Loco-BBC-Hulton-Repro%2Clanguage%2CE.html%3B1001%3B730 Mike Wiltshire I just got out my Tintagel, as an exercise to get into the mood, and try out my new camera. Note completely unedited except crop, resize and sharpen. Penrice Castle is in the mail... Swindonitis is rife.. Edited November 10, 2014 by robmcg 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwd Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I must say Caerphilly Castle is likely to be a beautiful model and highly sought-after if the paintwork is Hornby's best. Due early Feb next year according to Hornby.com Is that Sacarsm? Hornby doing quality GWR ......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 Is that Sacarsm? Hornby doing quality GWR ......... Well,why not ? For all its faults,it 's a great model,as is the Grange, the 28/38XX,as are the Hawksworth coaches.I don't think Rob meant it as sarcasm.He's a keen Hornby enthusiast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 I just got out my Tintagel, as an exercise to get into the mood, and try out my new camera. Note completely unedited except crop, resize and sharpen. Penrice Castle is in the mail... Swindonitis is rife.. Img_0349a_r800.jpg Now for some etched brass plates to put the finishing touch.....yes ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2014 Try a real one for size. 149.JPG Drool,drool...etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Or perhaps a less detailed picture - a contemporary view of 4073 on its way to the Science Museum in June 1961. Regards Ray PS I thought it was much bigger news item - funny how your memory plays tricks. Edited November 11, 2014 by Silver Sidelines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Quite incredable to see 4073 as it was in 1961. It is my understanding it was given a not-just-cosmetic overhaul (or at least put into a condition better than the Star was). Interesting to see how the finish has aged (crazed varnish) through just being on display in relatively climatically stable conditions, except for a while in the shed at Didcot. Especially given the return of 4079 as a first batch castle, the case for preserving 4073 as an 'as is' example of Swindon output is very strong. Certainly any 4073 on my layout will be a 'could technically happen but wouldn't' scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There has even been a Swindon invasion of Yorkshire Now here is one detail for the modern era models. Can you tell what it is yet??????? It is the mounting for the air brake handle. Note the close proximity to the firehole door. When swinging the shovel it is not exactly in the most convenient place, hence all the dents and missing paintwork. I wonder how much coal ends up on the cab floor? Mike Wiltshire 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Well, my Penrice Castle has arrived, now I will get to see if Hornby can still assemble one without warps, bends, loose parts, and other challenges! Also arrived an Ebay 70000 'Britannia' ... which to open first? The dilemmas! Here is a link to my 5011 'Tintagel Castle', good GWR operating practice, hardly any exhaust at all... note top lamp bracket in pre-1930 position too. https://www.facebook.com/brsteamphotos/photos/pcb.383811675117837/383811325117872/?type=1&theater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Here is Penrice Castle, smokebox handles loose in packet, cut-outs in plastic tray insert over dome and chimney, otherwise I think ok. Fall plate in cab set at about 45 degrees. Anyone know any good tricks for offering-up the smokebox handles and pressing-in, without having them fly away into the unknown? Edit. Had a friend with better hands and eyes than me offer it up on the piece of clear tape and it went straight in. Looks lovely now. Photo totally untouched except crop and sharpen. and below a little bit later, smokebox handles in, with slightly brighter natural light, again unedited but for cropping etc interesting to see the Hornby version of Brunswick green, in natural light at normal viewing I think it looks great, but then I never saw the real thing in the 1950s or 60s... Edited November 13, 2014 by robmcg 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG 7305 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I see that the drain pipe from the front of the vacuum ejector pipe that should follow the contour of the smokebox as it drops to the running plate has been put in wrong, a common fault. My first batch Wellington is waiting to be exchanged for this issue. Best regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I see that the drain pipe from the front of the vacuum ejector pipe that should follow the contour of the smokebox as it drops to the running plate has been put in wrong, a common fault. My first batch Wellington is waiting to be exchanged for this issue. Best regards Is not less trouble to alter it yourself? Replacing with a piece of brass or copper wire is surely quicker than wrapping it all up and taking to the post office. Just a thought Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Thankyou for that reference, just bought a copy via Amazon, should see it within the month in NZ. I am very aware of all the detail differences between various Castles and having just bought R3118 7023 'Penrice Castle' will be wondering if things like lubricators are all correct for the late BR period. Seems you can't have too many reference photos!Here is a link to my pic of 5068 'Beverston Castle' weathered by TMC and edited a little by me.https://www.facebook.com/brsteamphotos/photos/pcb.381046052061066/381044815394523/?type=1&theater Hope you find the book useful. Thanks for the photo, it looks great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Hi Rob Nice pictures Here is Penrice Castle, Photo totally untouched Like my model the top of the vacuum pipe is left black. I took the liberty of painting mine red as on all the previous Castles. Some one will no doubt confirm whether there was a right or wrong. Regards Ray Edited November 13, 2014 by Silver Sidelines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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