Jack P Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Afternoon all, I saw a video of Repton, number 30905, with some volcanic wheelslip, and I noticed it's tender was 'high sided'? So i jumped in and tried to do some research on what/why/when etc, and only managed to confuse myself more by finding this: Thats a lord nelson tender, if i'm not mistaken. Which I understand was fitted to this loco downside and one other, for use on the western section - when? Why did repton end up with a different tender, and when, etc etc, does anyone have any information/can someone please elaborate? -Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 If anyone is contemplating this conversion and wants a Nelson tender- please send me a PM Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 We are looking at two different tenders! Lord Nelson tenders were fitted to 30912 (photo) and 30921 in 1961, so would have hauled around for only a few months. The tender of 932 was converted to self-trimming complete with higher side sheets in 1938. It was transferred to 905 in 1958, and presumably scrapped with that locomotive. The photo of 30926 looks as if it were taken in preservation and the high sided tender may be a cosmetic job. Sources: Loco of the SR vol 1, Bradley and The Schools 4-4-0s, Winkworth Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 ......The photo of 30926 looks as if it were taken in preservation and the high sided tender may be a cosmetic job. I seem to recall it was done in order to increase coal capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 We are looking at two different tenders! Lord Nelson tenders were fitted to 30912 (photo) and 30921 in 1961, so would have hauled around for only a few months. The tender of 932 was converted to self-trimming complete with higher side sheets in 1938. It was transferred to 905 in 1958, and presumably scrapped with that locomotive. The photo of 30926 looks as if it were taken in preservation and the high sided tender may be a cosmetic job. Sources: Loco of the SR vol 1, Bradley and The Schools 4-4-0s, Winkworth Bill Thanks for that info Bill. Could you please explain what a high sided self trimming tender actually was? Did any other engines get them? Also any information on when Downside received a lemaitre blastpipe? Or did all of the class get them fitted before they went into BR service? I seem to recall it was done in order to increase coal capacity. How much was the capacity of the new tenders? Why is there not much documentation of this on the internet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted September 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2012 "Repton" received her high sided tender while she was in Canada, apparently in order to increase her range for main line running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Thanks for that info Bill. Could you please explain what a high sided self trimming tender actually was? Did any other engines get them? Also any information on when Downside received a lemaitre blastpipe? Or did all of the class get them fitted before they went into BR service? How much was the capacity of the new tenders? Why is there not much documentation of this on the internet? I don't actually know what a self trimming tender is; however, on the basis "that it does what it says on the tin", I'm guessing they sloped the bunker to allow the coal to slide down. Useful on an 8 wheel tender but of little advantage on a 6 wheeled one. No information on capacity, I guess the high sides permitted the same five tons of coal, necessary on a journey from Bournemouth West to Waterloo. Changing to the subject of Lemaître blastpipes, Bradley (Locos of the Southern Railway part 1) quotes conversion dates of: 1939 914 Feb; 931 July; 937 May 1940 900, 918, 933, 938 June; 907 Nov; 901,915 Oct; 917,934 May; 920 March; 924 Sept; 930 April; 939 Aug 1941 909, 919 Feb; 921 Jan ; 929 March And finally, I haven't a clue why there isn't much documentation on the internet; maybe because I much prefer reading books. Present bedtime reading is Bradley "Locomotines of the South Eastern Railway". Bill PS - the î symbol in Lemaître is alt0238 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted September 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2012 I don't actually know what a self trimming tender is; however, on the basis "that it does what it says on the tin", I'm guessing they sloped the bunker to allow the coal to slide down. Most tenders feature sloped sides / back plates, floors to facilitate coal trimming towards the front.They don't work that that well as after the coal dust has been watered down a few times it forms a very effective paste which glues coal lumps together. So after the loose stuff at the top of the pile is used someone (not me..) has to get up in the tender and shovel it all forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 Hate to drag this topic up again, But I have a really quick question for those in the know. Could someone tell me, if this ever graced southern metals, before 1948? - Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted October 6, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2012 Jack in a word...No Neither before or after 1948, the Schools class were never coupled to a Urie style tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted October 6, 2012 Author Share Posted October 6, 2012 Jack in a word...No Neither before or after 1948, the Schools class were never coupled to a Urie style tender. Curses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Very simply the Urie tender, being built for the LSWR Waterloo - Bournemouth and Exeter routes, would not have complied with the 'Restriction 0' loading gauge on the Charing Cross - Hastings route. Caused by the original building contractor doing a Cowboy job for the SECR and only lining the tunnels with one layer of brickwork, whilst charging for two, them subsequently collapsing, and the SECR suing them whilst employing another buider to add further brick linings, making the tunnels too narrow for normal 'Universal' loading gauge stock. As a consequence all stock built for the Hastings route (including the Hastings DEMU's and the Class 33/2's) having to be 'bespoke' to the resticted tunnel width. BR of course in the early 1990's replaced all the double track in the affected tunnels with single line working, eliminating the loading gauge issue but then resticting the lines capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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