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I was confused by this too - but hadn't seen the Waverley Tce comment.  I had thought Linden Tce.

 

Don't know what possessed me to say Laing Terrace.  Watched the trains often enough from the bridge; I guess that the dmu will be about where the set of catch points were on the Up line.  B.

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Eminently modellable freight in 1961, at a tree-free Riccarton Jct.  Essence of WR:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=47075

 

Brush Type 4 on 4th Jan ’69, the penultimate day of operations, and it’s Scottish Grand Tour No.6 at Galashiels.  There’s certainly something far more distinguished about this otherwise routine railtour than the BR Ghoulex in particular that also ran over the weekend.

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=47068

 

Coffin for the Minister!  Hawick on 04011969.  Check the period Border clothing:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=47079

 

There is SO much to say about this picture, but I shall leave it to you, dear reader.  Suffice to say – Tail Traffic!

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=47095

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Coffin for the Minister!  Hawick on 04011969.  Check the period Border clothing:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=47079

 

 

And a "Hawick" seat name back is missing already!

 

The coffin designer chats to Madge before it's taken through the subway for display when 1M10 arrives later.  

 

see   http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=22765.

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New location for this lovely GFYE Brush 4, somewhere in the green corridor above Mansfield Road dropping down to Hawick, light engine, almost definitely in summer '68. I shall be modelling this machine...

 

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=47109

Not Mansfield road. This is passing Stonefield, Galalaw in the background, the Wellogate cemetery on the right.

 

 

The Chimney belonged to John Turnbull and Sons in Slitrig crescent, a colleague of mine turned up at his desk one morning to find a brick from the chimney sitting on his seat with a suitable hole in the roof above, it was demolished shortly after.

 

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Not Mansfield road. This is passing Stonefield, Galalaw in the background, the Wellogate cemetery on the right.

 

 

 

The Chimney belonged to John Turnbull and Sons in Slitrig crescent, a colleague of mine turned up at his desk one morning to find a brick from the chimney sitting on his seat with a suitable hole in the roof above, it was demolished shortly after.

 

Ah, now that's far better.  I was very uneasy with the locus, another new aspect uncovered,  Brilliant!

 

The loco is a Finsbury Park machine, so this light engine move is part of some unexplained peripheral diagram we'll never fully understand.  Judging by the wound-up headcode though, she's been tooling around on Scottish business!

 

Green Brush Type 4s with full yellow ends look very purposeful, almost elegant, on the route.  As an emblem of Standardisation (along with their contemporaries the Class 37s) they possibly imbue proceedings with a false sense of permanence.  If only...

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i am working on a p-way train for the waverley route as seen in the railways of scotland vol 2 dvd, i have most of the wagons completed but am having trouble finding imaged of hawick's crane. i have a Dapol 15ton crane that i hope to bash into somethng resembleing the hawick crane but lack snaps of the real thing to work from. does anybody know of any pictures of hawicks crane.

 

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Is that the one pictured in "Waverley portrait of a famous route"?  Plates 102 and 103.

 

i am working on a p-way train for the waverley route as seen in the railways of scotland vol 2 dvd, i have most of the wagons completed but am having trouble finding imaged of hawick's crane. i have a Dapol 15ton crane that i hope to bash into somethng resembleing the hawick crane but lack snaps of the real thing to work from. does anybody know of any pictures of hawicks crane.

 

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Have these pictures of Hawick been on here before? (I would be surprised if they haven't, but I can't find them.)

 

North end of the station in the early 1900s:

 

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/h/hawick/hawick(early20thc)old74.jpg

 

North end of the station and shed yard in the 1950s with a nice selection of locos (according to the 'Disused Stations' website - D30, K2, D49 and J35).

 

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/h/hawick/hawick(c1950s)old76.jpg

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Is that the one pictured in "Waverley portrait of a famous route"?  Plates 102 and 103.

yes thats the one, I can also remember seeing an article in the railway modeller a long time ago where the Dapol crane was converted to a steam version. I looked out a RM article from 1980 but this isnt the one im thinking of. Would anybody know of an article that was comparatively recently. I can remember the article but not which month/year it was. In the article the completed crane was being hauled by a j36 and, that is all I can remember.

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Completly by chance went to this site as a result of their latest updates e-mail.  The second picture to come up on the rotating display is the following one, which looks like a fairly similar crane?  Might be worth searching here for more?

 

http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p265322570/h377570bf#h377570bf

 

yes thats the one, I can also remember seeing an article in the railway modeller a long time ago where the Dapol crane was converted to a steam version. I looked out a RM article from 1980 but this isnt the one im thinking of. Would anybody know of an article that was comparatively recently. I can remember the article but not which month/year it was. In the article the completed crane was being hauled by a j36 and, that is all I can remember.

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Ah, now that's far better.  I was very uneasy with the locus, another new aspect uncovered,  Brilliant!

 

The loco is a Finsbury Park machine, so this light engine move is part of some unexplained peripheral diagram we'll never fully understand.  Judging by the wound-up headcode though, she's been tooling around on Scottish business!

 

Green Brush Type 4s with full yellow ends look very purposeful, almost elegant, on the route.  As an emblem of Standardisation (along with their contemporaries the Class 37s) they possibly imbue proceedings with a false sense of permanence.  If only...

 

I thought I had this one cracked. The summer SO Dundee / Blackpool trains were almost certainly unbalanced workings over the WR. The southbound train (09:15 from Dundee) arrived Carlisle at 13:47, 22 minutes after the northbound train (10:44 from Blackpool North) had left. Both trains had protracted stops at Carlisle and I would suggest that locos were still changed there (as they had been up until the last steam worked season in 1965), so although the Blackpool - Carlisle section could have been covered by one loco, two would have been required north of Carlisle, and the loco off the 09:15 almost certainly returned north LE via Hawick . The position of the sun seems right for mid to late afternoon and the incorrect headcode for the previous working (the Blackpool train was 1M31) doesn't seem that important because the attitude of some ScR crews towards displaying the correct reporting number seems to have been somewhat lax. However this theory is completely blown out of the water because, despite the caption, it clearly wasn't taken in summer - just look at the colour of the vegetation and the lack of leaves on the trees and bushes.

 

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i am working on a p-way train for the waverley route as seen in the railways of scotland vol 2 dvd, i have most of the wagons completed but am having trouble finding imaged of hawick's crane. i have a Dapol 15ton crane that i hope to bash into somethng resembleing the hawick crane but lack snaps of the real thing to work from. does anybody know of any pictures of hawicks crane.

 

gary p

 

i am working on a p-way train for the waverley route as seen in the railways of scotland vol 2 dvd, i have most of the wagons completed but am having trouble finding imaged of hawick's crane. i have a Dapol 15ton crane that i hope to bash into somethng resembleing the hawick crane but lack snaps of the real thing to work from. does anybody know of any pictures of hawicks crane.

 

gary p

i have been looking through copies of the RM and the crane in the conversion which i still haven't found is on Bob Rowlands leith north layout. i have found the article on the layout but still not the crane conversion article. i foresee a fair bit of searching ahead. although to my mind it cannot be too far back - i hope.

 
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I thought I had this one cracked. The summer SO Dundee / Blackpool trains were almost certainly unbalanced workings over the WR. The southbound train (09:15 from Dundee) arrived Carlisle at 13:47, 22 minutes after the northbound train (10:44 from Blackpool North) had left. Both trains had protracted stops at Carlisle and I would suggest that locos were still changed there (as they had been up until the last steam worked season in 1965), so although the Blackpool - Carlisle section could have been covered by one loco, two would have been required north of Carlisle, and the loco off the 09:15 almost certainly returned north LE via Hawick . The position of the sun seems right for mid to late afternoon and the incorrect headcode for the previous working (the Blackpool train was 1M31) doesn't seem that important because the attitude of some ScR crews towards displaying the correct reporting number seems to have been somewhat lax. However this theory is completely blown out of the water because, despite the caption, it clearly wasn't taken in summer - just look at the colour of the vegetation and the lack of leaves on the trees and bushes.

 

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That's a shame, Bill. I'd have loved it to be the light loco working back off the Towerex.

 

I'm at a loss to be more definitive now. I suppose she could have worked out on 1M01/ 1M10 as a last minute deputy for the more usual Peak and is hurrying back for return to the Cross via the East Coast.

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Bill, thanks for a great haul of links - this one of Merlin actually crossing the road at Stainton is a Holy Grail capture too!

 

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3625/category/13

 

 

Which overbridge is this though?  Don't ever recall seeing it before, and I don't believe the Steele Road caption:

 

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3758/category/13

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Which overbridge is this though?  Don't ever recall seeing it before, and I don't believe the Steele Road caption:

 

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3758/category/13

 

Your right....   Its about 40 miles south of Steel Road! The loco is about to pass under a bridge (now demolished) at Brisco. 3 miles south of Carlisle. I took dozens of photos around that location in the 1960s

 

http://Google map location : https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.0769212,-3.0421186&z=9&output=classic&dg=opt

 

Edit The building behind the bridge was Brisco station

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Which overbridge is this though?  Don't ever recall seeing it before, and I don't believe the Steele Road caption:

 

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3758/category/13

 

Your right....   Its about 40 miles south of Steel Road! The loco is about to pass under a bridge (now demolished) at Brisco. 3 miles south of Carlisle. I took dozens of photos around that location in the 1960s

 

http://Google map location : https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.0769212,-3.0421186&z=9&output=classic&dg=opt

 

Edit The building behind the bridge was Brisco station

 

Heres the same location on the other side of the bridgepost-10572-0-13457100-1404465592.jpg

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Glad to see the alleged Steele Road location has been correctly identified - I was fairly sure it must be south of the Border

 

Here are a load more links from the same site (there are also plenty of shots of locos off the WR at Kingmoor shed but I won't bother posting them).

 

Bill

 

PS Some of the captions should be ignored completely!

 

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3171/category/13

then the following fifteen shots are all at or near Canal shed

 

The following one looks like WR, not far out of Carlisle - any suggestions for location?:-

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3555/category/13

 

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3559/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3560/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3571/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3572/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3579/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3580/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3748/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3833/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3834/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3835/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3836/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3843/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3844/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3845/category/13

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3846/category/13

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Glad to see the alleged Steele Road location has been correctly identified - I was fairly sure it must be south of the Border

 

Here are a load more links from the same site (there are also plenty of shots of locos off the WR at Kingmoor shed but I won't bother posting them).

 

Bill

 

The following one looks like WR, not far out of Carlisle - any suggestions for location?:-

http://www.railpictorial.com/piwigo/picture.php?/3555/category/13

 

Yup...  the photo is taken on the WR at Parkhouse, Parkhouse Halt is just the other side of the bridge.

 

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=54.936425,-2.9603&hl=en&ll=54.936068,-2.958605&spn=0.007187,0.01899&sll=54.935032,-2.959228&sspn=0.014374,0.03798&t=h&z=16

 

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