Havenhouse - the reboot

[jrg]

6/07/1957 61638 Melton Hall   Skegness 14/07/1957 61657 Doncaster Rovers   Skegness   3/08/1957 61870   Ancaster bank.  Skegness-Kings Norton train. (Locomotives Illustrated 53 page 26) 15/09/1957 61201     0945hrs special to Skegness   7/04/1958 62660 Butler Henderson At Skegness   11/06/1958 61331     First Butlins Express Kings Cross-Skegness 14/06/1958 61914     Skegness-Kirkby-in-Ashfield     5/08/1958       Three sets of Quad-Arts returned to London by class 9F after use on Nottingham-Skegness         Day excursions during the Bank Holiday weekend         24/08/1958 61141     Skegness-Leicester Belgrave Road   24/08/1958 61281     Skegness-Grantham       24/08/1958 61284     Skegness-Grimsby       24/08/1958 61871     Skegness-Nottingham Victoria     30/08/1958 61130     Kings Cross-Skegness passenger train   16/05/1959 61816     Sheffield-Skegness passenger (Bassetlaw RS) 14/06/1959 62661 Gerard Powys Dewhurst Shirebrook-Skegness special (Bassetlaw RS)

 

18/07/1959 61250     At Lowesby with Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Mablethorpe train (Railway Modeller September 1969)   23/08/1959 61142     Firsby with Skegness passenger train 29/08/1959 61177     Leicester Belgrave Road with 1332hr from Skegness (East Midlands Branch Line Album p11 0 7110 0828 0) 2/09/1959 D5909     Skegness with holiday excursion 30/03/1960 92188     (New England) Skegness to move ECS from Winter storage                         31/03/1960 92202     (Immingham) Skegness to move ECS from Winter storage   17/04/1960 61004 Oryx   0925hrs Clowne South-Skegness Special at Shirebrook North   (Steam World 139)   

[JCL]

Thank you again

 

A while back I asked about the route availability for Skegness. It seems it's RA7, so going with the information in 34theletterbetweenB&D's post (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/39221-route-availability-number/?p=418810), RA8's D49, J37, K3, K5, Q1, and RA9's A1 - 4, V2, W1 would have been barred from the line.

 

Interestingly I found a document yesterday, that I can't locate now, that said there are currently restrictions on class 47s, etc, as well.

[pete_mcfarlane]

Thank you again

 

A while back I asked about the route availability for Skegness. It seems it's RA7, so going with the information in 34theletterbetweenB&D's post (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/39221-route-availability-number/?p=418810), RA8's D49, J37, K3, K5, Q1, and RA9's A1 - 4, V2, W1 would have been barred from the line.

 

Interestingly I found a document yesterday, that I can't locate now, that said there are currently restrictions on class 47s, etc, as well.

 

I'm not sure what the current status is, but there were certainly some restrictions a few years back on loco workings between Boston and Skegness. The HSTs which work some of the summer services take longer from Nottingham than the Sprinters (despite avoiding Grantham) which implies that the speed restrictions for locos are lower.

[jrg]

And I might be driving through Gastown in May, I'll let them know

Would love to return to the singing pubs and French brassieries.  Meanwhile:- 

8/07/1961 61088     Skegness-Leicester (Belgrave Road) passenger train   (Railway World 10/63)                         9/07/1961 61142     Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Skegness passenger train       16/07/1961 61209     Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Skegness Saturdays only passenger train (Railway World 10/63) 8/1961 61285     Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Skegness train (East Midlands Branch Line Album p12 0 7110 0828 0) 1960s 61285     Melton Mowbray with Skegness excursion   (East Midlands Branch Line Album p17 0 7110 0828 0)   61953     1412hrs (SO) Skegness-Basford North   2/09/1961 61188     Skegness-Leicester(Belgrave Road) passenger train 18/01/1962 70005 John Milton   Skegness. Arrived with eighteen ECS, left light engine 15/07/1962 61177     Leicester(Belgrave Road)-Skegness passenger train and return  28/07/1962 61285     Skegness-Leicester(Belgrave Road) passenger train 25/08/1962 61179     0806hrs Kings Cross-Skegness "Butlins Express" 3/06/63 44658     Beeston-Skegness excursion at Mansfield Town (East Midlands Branch Line Album p84 0 7110 0828 0) 17/06/63 46100 Royal Scot   Towed from Boston Shed to Skegness, for preservation at Butlin’s 1963 70013 Oliver Cromwell     Skegness.  Through working from Grimsby summer/63 61361     Summer special Skegness-King's Norton  28/07/63 61174     Coventry – Skegness excursion.  D5005 to Peterborough, replaced by 61174   8/1963 61160     Skegness with a Derby train 31/08/63 61188     Radcliffe-on-Trent With Skegness train   25/07/1964 61003 Gazelle   Skegness   1/08/1964 61031 Reedbuck     Firsby with a Skegness-Leeds Central train via Grimsby (Oakwood 205 Railways to Skegness p50) 8/08/1964 61188     1X28 Skegness-Derby Excursion at Bingham (Steam World 154)               30/08/1964 61031 Reedbuck   At Skegness with a Returning West Riding Excursion 31/08/1964 D5288     At Skegness with an excursion 12/09/1964 44918     RCTS Special.  Skegness with RCTS Notts and Lincs railtour.  Last steam train on Horncastle branch.     Nottingham Midland - London Road Jn - (via goods lines) - Sneinton Jn - Carlton - Rolleston Jn - Newark Castle - Main Line Jn -      D3619 hauled the train and locomotive from Main Line Junction into Newark Northgate Station           Newark Northgate- Barkston- Leadenham - Lincoln Central- Boultham Jn - Greetwell Jn - Bardney - Woodhall Jn -     Horncastle - Woodhall Jn - Stickney - Bellwater Jn - Firsby - Skegness - Firsby South - Woodhall Jcn - Lincoln Avoiding Line -      Gainsborough Lea Road - Trent Jcn - Worksop - Elmton & Creswell - Shirebrook West - Mansfield Town - Nottingham Midland     Route 1X28 throughout                                               12/09/1964 D1564     Skegness       British Railways Past & Present 27 Lincolnshire p111   After 1964, Leeds-Skegness excursions ran via Grimsby, instead of  via Woodhall 3/07/1965 44828 (Holbeck)   Leeds-Skegness train via Firsby  17/07/1965 45128 (Crewe South)   Skegness train at Firsby 1960s 61227     Firsby with 1318hrs Skegness-Leicester Belgrave Road (Oakwood 205 Railways to Skegness p52) 7/07/1965 D393       1420hrs Skegness-Leeds (J Jennison) 4/09/1965 44824     (Holbeck) on Skegness train at Firsby       4/09/1965 44828     Leeds-Skegness service.  Probably the last steam engine at Skegness 27/04/1966       Skegness station locomotive line, platform crossover and Ground Frame abolished                         2/05/1966       Alford Town station closed to goods         2/05/1966       Burgh Le Marsh station closed to goods         2/05/1966       Skegness station closed to goods         2/05/1966       Wainfleet station closed to goods         2/05/1966       Willoughby station closed to goods        

[Jaz]

Happy Easter

to the after burner and his owner and family

Edited April 20, 2014 by Jaz

[JCL]

Thanks Jaz, and he's i the bast place as well! Old Austin isn't waterproof and wouldn't swim for anyone.

 

This week I'll be playing the part of Dr Beeching as I start removing the lines to and from Wainfleet. I only have the main board and the board containing the curve near the east side of the station ballasted, so these will be stored carefully. The others have the track tacked down with drawing pins, so on these I'll be taking the track up and putting it in boxes as whatever room the layout will move into at some point looks like, itwill almost certainly not be the same shape and size as the current one.

 

The last two excursions passed through the station earlier. Ken was surprised to see a GWR county pass through

 

 

Followed twenty minuted later by a much more likely Director.

 

 

So, once everything has been taken down, I'll be on special projects. I've the Armstrong-Whitworth D9 diesel to finish, so I'll do that first, and then the Barnum to complete (you can see it in the background in the photos above).

 

 

After that, well that GWR loco can't stay looking like that! At some point in the future it'll become a D3 and look something similar to this. But that's a long way away at the moment.

 

Nottingham Victoria 03/08/1949 by geoff7918, on Flickr

 

I'll take some more photos of Wainfleet station with my proper camera before I start dismantling it.

 

cheers

 

Jason

[LNER4479]

Good luck with the move Jason. Be sure to pack those beautiful models well. I for one look forward to seeing Wainfleet re-emerging, better than ever, in due course.

[Jaz]

The pictures will be useful to you when you set back up again, make sure you record how bits are linked!

[westerhamstation]

Hi Jason, good luck with the move, all the best Adrian.

[JCL]

Hi everyone, thanks very much, but I didn't quite get it right in my previous post. The layout is coming down before we put the house on the market in May as it does take up the majority of what could be a bedroom, so unfortunately I might be without, within, for quite some time. :-/ . That said, we are really looking forward to finding a plot on Vancouver island and starting the next chapter there, and my "special projects" will keep me going

 

The funny thing is that a lot of friends here in town have said "Wow! That's a big step!" - but I tell them that it's not half as big as emigrating to a new country!

[Alister_G]

Hi Jason, sad to hear that Wainfleet is going to be on hold for a while, but look forward to seeing the "special projects", and the eventual return.

 

All the best with the move mate.

 

Al.

[JCL]

Hi All, I'm back from the North East of England circa 1933 and the Armstrong-Whitworth D9 is finished. Since we last spoke I not only learned how to put together a loco, but I've also learned how to use the airbrush that's been sitting on the shelf for the last two years because of the fear of breaking it. I'm hoping that next project will be to finish the Barnum coach, but the railway room is a mess of boxes at the moment. The photographing and boxing up all the rolling stock for the insurance just in case any break/go missing. Next week all of the boards will be taken down to the dump except for the sceniced ones. I didn't get the rails nailed down on most of the boards, so I'd rather do that and make a better job of the next ones.

 

Anyway, here's the D9, Barnum here we come!

 

Edited May 2, 2014 by JCL

[MikeTrice]

That looks brilliant, well done. 

 

I could just hit "Thanks", "Like" or "Craftmanship/Clever" but I do not think they do this justice.

Edited May 2, 2014 by MikeTrice

[JCL]

Thankyou Mike

[Jaz]

I flicked past it first off thinking new purchase, then brain engaged. A really magnificent effort, from conception to completion, all your own work, something to feel really chuffed about.

[JCL]

Thank you Jaz, I really am. I think you'd appreciate this, but this is the first loco I've seen that looks like it has eyebrows

[JCL]

As well as getting a bit of time on the Barnum, there will be times when I'll be spending time on my computer. I've two projects that I'll start, one is to get on with some of those LNER numerals, and the other is a Class 114.

 

Class 114 Beeston by TonyW1960, on Flickr

 

Quite some time ago it was mentioned that the Class 114 dmu was one of the main classes used in my part of Lincolnshire. They look like a class 108, but they are 6 feet longer at 64' 6", so a Bachmann 108 is out. I could also get the DC Kit, but I'd like to try to do as much as I can myself. The Lima Class 117 is the same length as the 114, and has the same stye front, so I've imported a green one from an emporium in Sheffield. My thought is to design and cut the sides on the Cameo to replace the Lima ones and do as much as I can on the other details (including changing the cab roof). I'll also need to refurbish the motor on it as well. Any cutting files I do I'll upload to here.

 

So, the prototype, here's what Wikipedia says about the class 114:

 

 

The British Rail Class 114 diesel multiple units were built by BR Derby from September 1956 to July 1957. Forty-nine 2-car units were built, numbered E50001-49 for driving motors (later renumbered 53001-49) and E56001-49 for driving trailers (later renumbered 54001-49). The units were used in the early days out of 40A Lincoln TMD (LN) on services all over the county, although a small number were transferred to 41A Sheffield (Darnall) during 1959/60.

 

However, with their original 150 hp BUT engines, they were found to be underpowered for the local scheduled services, and lost time especially when towing a van (which was a regular occurrence in that area). The most problematic stretch was the 1 in 122 for just under a mile near Ancaster which reduced these units to 45 mph even on full power. As a result of this, several 3-car formations were put together using two power cars and one trailer. These were used in the main on Grantham - Boston/Skegness workings during 1957.

 

Formations noted in Railway Observer magazine were E50008/E50007/E56007, E50011/E50012/E56012, E50038/E50039/E56015 and E50015/E50035/E56035. Spare trailers were stored at various locations - E56016/25/40 at Blankney & Metheringham, E56010/39 at Bardney and E56004/20/22/37/38/44/45 near Sleaford South Junction.

 

E50029/30/31/32/33/34 and their respective trailers were transferred to Stratford between February and April 1957 in exchange for Derby 2-car lightweight units, but between June and October the 114s moved back to Lincoln.

 

E50049/E56049 was introduced with 230 hp versions of the power unit, which proved to have a much more acceptable power to weight ratio, and during 1959 and 1960 all the class were fitted with these more powerful engines and settled down to work most Lincolnshire local services (with regular visits to South Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire) for over 25 years. One of the class (one of the cars 50040) along with another 3-car unit was on one of the last passenger service from Louth to Grimsby on 20 December 1980. Other services where Cleethorpes to Barton-upon-Humber, Cleethorpes to Sheffield via Retford, and Peterborough to Grimsby via Boston, Willoughby and Louth.

 

The units were rarely seen outside of their normal working area, but in June 1957 E50029/E56029 worked a special excursion from Ipswich to Chessington South.^[1]

 

Later in their life, they were moved to the Tyseley TMD (TS) West Midlands, but still came back to the Lincolnshire area on service now and again.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_114

 

 

Looking at photos on Flickr (which I'm growing very frustrated with) I've noticed that there are a number variants on the front face. They all have a smaller destination sign than the Lima class 117, and some have:

• a light on the roof above the destination sign
• two lights, one underneath each outer window
• a number panel underneath the middle window either with codes or dominoes
• a central modern headlight, I think this is on a preserved unit.

The units seem to have any combinations of these, so I'll have to make sure that I find a particular one to model in the livery that I go for as I'm assuming that some of the differences are date dependent. There seem to be a lot of photos on the Grantham to Skegness line, so I should be able to find something to fit what I'm after.

 

So, without further ado, this is my starting point:

 

 

I have the diagrams downloaded from http://railcar.co.uk/ specifically these:

• http://railcar.co.uk/print/diagrams/516.jpg
• http://railcar.co.uk/print/diagrams/641.jpg

Unfortunately they are a bit coarse/low resolution, so I'll see if I can find something better before I make a start. If anyone knows of a publication with either a good side view or plans I'd be very grateful if you could get in touch. I'll ask on one of the other forum areas as well once I've worked out which one is best.

 

In the meantime, after a couple of days at a balmy 22C, we've just had two days of snow here. So spring is sprung, but the grass definitely isn't riz.

 

Edited May 4, 2014 by JCL

[Alister_G]

Hi Jason, interesting little project. Are you going to make it a three-car unit as it mentions in your quoted text?

 

If so, what will you use as the basis of the middle coach?

 

The buffers on the model are way undersized compared to the photo, aren't they!

 

Look forward to following this,

 

Al.

[JCL]

Hi Al, of course you're right I'm going to have to take care that I don't miss the details. I won't be putting in a middle coach as this was only used (by the looks of it) for a short period until they overcame the lack of power in the original units. I do have a cl 117 middle coach to get rid of though. What will be really great will be to find a proper plan. Anyone interested in DMUs will find that RSI.car website really interesting.

 

Now that I've been educated, I can see that this unit and the class 105 are trains from my childhood in the '70's, so I will be doing my very best on it, so I'm afraid it might be another long one.

 

This was my early childhood when we used to get on the train at Havenhouse, having waved at Mr, hmm, Lorde or Laud in the signal box (my mum will probably text me to let me know, we ended up buying his house on New England corner on the edge of Wainfleet). My sister would climb on and my little brother would have the pram lifted on because of the low platform. The wooden step on the train would be wearing away, and the chipped, maybe cream painted wooden walls, would be all around us as we spent the ride to Skegness in the guard's compartment because of that pram. I only wish I could remember more. I'm not sure there are any 105s left, because of the asbestos problem, but maybe the next time I'm in England I might be able to find a preserved 114 not too far from home...

Edited May 5, 2014 by JCL

[great central]

Hi Al, of course you're right I'm going to have to take care that I don't miss the details. I won't be putting in a middle coach as this was only used (by the looks of it) for a short period until they overcame the lack of power in the original units. I do have a cl 117 middle coach to get rid of though. What will be really great will be to find a proper plan. Anyone interested in DMUs will find that RSI.car website really interesting.

 

Now that I've been educated, I can see that this unit and the class 105 are trains from my childhood in the '70's, so I will be doing my very best on it, so I'm afraid it might be another long one.

 

This was my early childhood when we used to get on the train at Havenhouse, having waved at Mr, hmm, Lorde or Laud in the signal box (my mum will probably text me to let me know, we ended up buying his house on New England corner on the edge of Wainfleet). My sister would climb on and my little brother would have the pram lifted on because of the low platform. The wooden step on the train would be wearing away, and the chipped, maybe cream painted wooden walls, would be all around us as we spent the ride to Skegness in the guard's compartment because of that pram. I only wish I could remember more. I'm not sure there are any 105s left, because of the asbestos problem, but maybe the next time I'm in England I might be able to find a preserved 114 not too far from home...

 

Don't get rid of all the middle coach, the 114 was a power car/trailer, so you need the undergubbins from the middle car under the trailer rather than the Lima 'engine, etc'!

There is a conversion kit from Craftsman  http://www.craftsmanmodels.co.uk/cat.pdf  Page 7 kit MU9.

I did one a while back, turns out quite nice in my opinion. The Lima power bogie is a very nice runner as well, only downside is the large gap between the bogies and body, I've 'lowered' the chassis by adding a strip of black plasticard along it.

Someone suggested using Hornby bogies which are a bit bigger than the Lima ones. I'll try that on the next one, I have two more kits that I picked up from a member on here some years ago. 

[JCL]

Thank you, it's interesting that the conversion kit uses the chassis of the middle car, not the other end. I'm going to try to do as much of it as I can myself though. I'll take your thoughts in hand when doing the work as you're right, there is a lot of daylight under there.

[JCL]

I think I've got all I need now to make a start on putting together the sides and suchlike. I've started by scanning in the Lima model and importing it into Inkscape along with some plans I have now, so I'll be trying to marry them both up. One of my concerns is the window vents, they need to be thin, but at the same time strong enough to be handles, so I'll have to see what I can do there.

 

In the meantime I've kinda had a squirrel moment. Well I've never done a model on demand before and Allan Downes has set up an informal competition to create a Tudor building, so I'm going to give that a go and let the computer and cutter have a chance to cool down. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/85293-how-about-a-little-tudor-competition/?p=1443468 . Another impossible thing to do before breakfast.

[JCL]

So as you can see, I'm going to have a few things going on at the same time so that I can keep going when I don't have any physical equipment around me. So at the moment it's the 114 (planning), the Market Hall, and finishing the Barnum. I'm still waiting for handrail knobs and suchlike for that - Canada Post, eh!

 

The Market Hall I want to do without the use of the Cameo cutter as, although I could technically use it to great the frame, I want to get my hands properly dirty on this one and use some sort of wood such as balsa for the frame, and then try to infill with foamboard that's been stripped of its paper backing. I'm not sure if it'll work, but it's worth a try. That way I can get the ends rounded and distressed properly. I chose the market hall because it's an unusual looking thing, it's weathered, and importantly considering where I live, there are a whole load of photos of it on the internet!

 

Onto the class 114, I've now scanned in the Lima model that I bought so that I can overlay the new sides onto it and check everything is square, I can also see where it is off slightly and where I need to take this into account - it would be annoying if I produced the new sides to an accurate plan and then found they didn't fit the model!

 

On the plans that I'm making I've taken a new approach to windows. Following Ron Heggs's lead, I've decided that, for greater accuracy, I will create each element of the window separately. So, instead of using rounded rectangles to create the window holes, I'm using separate straight lines and arcs. The picture below shows what I mean. Each adjoining line and arc are different colours.

 

 

Although this could be a faff, grouping the elements together, copying and pasting means that I only need to draw one and copy it along the coach. Also, the elements of the smaller windows are cut down from the large windows.

 

 

There will be adjustments to make, but it looks like both sides are a mirror image of each other, so that will save me time. At the moment I'm thinking that the main side would include the window bars and vents, then the window frame overlays will include them as well to "thicken up" the bars and hopefully make them a bit more robust.

[JCL]

Make that "almost a mirror image"! On the double doors on each side of the coach both windows are on the inner end door. Good job I checked...

[JCL]

In this composite, you can hopefully see the three layers:

1. bottom - scaled scanned image of the cl117
2. middle - plan of the cl114
3. top - my cutting lines

I don't know if this sounds stupid, but I'm sure I've seen articles where people putting new etched sides onto an old coach (like a Hornby teak) have just cut a rectangle around all of the windows, sanded down all raised detail, and then applied the new side to the result. If I take into account that I will have to do something to stiffen up the window section as I'm going to use .010" for the outer skin, does this look like a good idea, or am I setting myself up for a fall?