knobhead Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Inspired by BG John of this parish, I will try to backdate the 61xx to a 31xx in original condition. The goal is a presentable model, not a masterpiece. I will mix parts from my £7 Airfix-wreck and the Dapol kit, together with some other bits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Hi Stefan, Given the last two, I am looking forward to seeing this one develop! Perhaps the next move is for you to do an Edwardian loco shed micro layout to display your engines in? Good luck with the project! All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Thanks Castle! There will be some scenic bits built. The "problem" is to make a decision of what to build and get started. I think it will be a fictional location with, at least, a couple of smallish Brunelian buildings. There's more thinking needed at this point. Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The cab roof on the 31xx was a plain arc, and higher than the 61xx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 The cab roof on the 31xx was a plain arc, and higher than the 61xx. And the cab front windows are different. I think I made a new cab front, back and roof for my Airfix kit (now Dapol) conversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It looks like the plastic body has the lower flanged motion bracket part above the running plate whereas the photo of 3120 shows the earlier higher flat plate type. You can see examples of the two types on these photos from the Hornby 42XX/72XX topic. First, Mike's photo of 7212 shows the later flanged type and this one of 7248 shows the earlier type as on the 31XX. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thanks Gentlemen! Two small spectacles together with the existing windows? Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Adjusted the roof. Does it look about right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Are you going to put a layer of plasticard or similar over it? The overhang is quite prominent, and I think one of the features that makes it look different to the later appearance. Here's my ancient affort that I think gives it the right look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Adjusted the roof. Does it look about right? Looks pretty close to me. According to the RCTS volume, the difference is 63/8". On the later types the highest point of the cab roof was 12' 75/8" above the rail, so this should be 13' 2". Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thanks chaps! Something like this then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Blimey ! You don't hang about do you ? I really am a tortoise when it comes to making stuff.....and still screw it up ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 I've screwed up plenty of models and it might happen again, but I just keep modelling! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted November 7, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2012 Stefan, Just comparing your prototype photo at the top, to the body you're working on, the top of the door opening may need to be taken a fraction higher - almost under the roof itself? I've been searching high and low for the "locos illustrated" I have on large Prairies, so far with no success..... Great looking prototype and if the completed model is anywhere near as good as the Dean goods you backdated, we're in for a treat! Excellent stuff, Best wishes, Alastair M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thanks Alastair! I didn't notice the height (or lack of) before, it will be done! Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Alastair has a point, I think, but be careful as it looks like there was a similar error on the original 61XX body before you started. The drawings and photos in Russell are not entirely conclusive on this but the doorway and aperture appear to be in exactly the same place on both types. It does appear that the top of the aperture was immediately under the edge of the roof on both types. A quick mesurement from the drawings suggests that the top of the aperture should be about 22.5mm above the running plate and the bottom at about 14mm. Front to back is about 17mm with the rear of the doorway about 4.5mm in front of the rear edge and the front of the doorway about 9mm. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thanks Nick! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thanks Gentlemen! Two small spectacles together with the existing windows? Regards, Stefan Hi Stefan, Just for reference, in the photograph of the mighty 'Didcot Donkey' below piloting No. 70000 Britannia, you can just about see the cab 'portholes' as they are jovially known at 81E that were fitted when the loco was first restored to her 1917 ROD khaki livery. Not correct for the 1950s BR livery she is in at the moment, they have been left as the eventual aim is for No. 5322 to end up back where she started as the last year of her boiler ticket coincides with the 100th anniversary of the 1918 Armistice. All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thanks Castle! Lovely photo! GWR loco's look good in black too! Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Hi Stefan, How about No. 5322 in original 1917 WW 1 R.O.D. condition for a bit of a change for the next project? Certainly would be an interesting model! Back on topic and back to the Prairie... All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 Tempting! Moguls are very nice and 1917 is an interesting year. Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 A bit more done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Hi Stefan, That's a good bit of work on the 61XX bodywork. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 Thanks Colin! Added the footsteps from the Dapol-kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 Couldn't find a picture that showed the rear of the loco, so I decided to shoot from the hip in an attempt to hide, the not so nice looking, holes for the chassis. How many bars in the back windows, I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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