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[Dunsignalling]

14 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

Quite a few sellers seem very slow to learn that lesson, that the value of an item is not what you think it's worth, it's what you and another person can agree it is worth.

But, equally, if you pitch the starting price too low, and only one person bites, you'll never know what it could have made

 

Unless vendors are in a rush to shift, things, they can always rerun the item from a lower point later.

 

Of course , there's also the possibility that nobody might want it at any price!

 

John

[lezz01]

41 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

But, equally, if you pitch the starting price too low, and only one person bites, you'll never know what it could have made

 

Unless vendors are in a rush to shift, things, they can always rerun the item from a lower point later.

 

Of course , there's also the possibility that nobody might want it at any price!

 

John

You can always put a reserve price on it although it will cost you upfront.

I put things up for buy it now with offers enabled that way I only pay them when it sells and I can reduce the price and the lowest offer limit as it goes along if I get no offers. That way I control the sale, so far it's worked a treat.

Regards Lez.

[JamesSpooner]

Looking at the photos provided I can’t see any of the cab etches or the tender rear (amongst other things). Not to say they aren’t there, but they don’t show up in any of the photos so possibly only part of a kit anyway.

 

Nigel

[St Enodoc]

9 hours ago, Northmoor said:

Quite a few sellers seem very slow to learn that lesson, that the value of an item is not what you think it's worth, it's what you and another person can agree it is worth.

Cost, price, value - the eternal triangle.

[Tony Wright]

I've never built a Sayer Chaplin kit - a bit before my time!

 

Sold first in the '50s? If so, a very high price at the time. Were they the first etched kits?

 

Certainly, the hobby moves on, and I've just completed (well, almost) my latest etched loco......

 

 

The London Road saturated D2 (just a few details to add). A 'stonking' kit is how I'd describe it. 

 

And.......

 

 

 

She performed faultlessly on test yesterday. 

 

High-resolution photography is the sternest of critics (no mucking about with perceived distortions), and it looks like the back end needs raising slightly. That said, take a look at some of the pictures of D2s in later life in the appropriate Yeadon. Almost nothing is straight and parallel. 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by Tony Wright
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[Tony Wright]

Memories of Sayer Chaplin...........

 

Is it my imagination, but didn't guy Williams once use some parts to build a loco for Pendon in the early days? It could be (probably is) my ever-crumbling memory, but I seem to recall a mention in the MRC of decades ago.

 

Has anyone on here ever built one of their kits?

[Tony Wright]

Speaking of older (much older) kits.............

 

Readers might recall my acquisition of Acro 4F kits some little time ago.

 

 

Someone had already built the tender for this one (I just finished it off using Comet steps).

 

 

And I started building the loco, marrying it up with a South Eastern Finecast chassis and bits. 

 

I thought, why not? I rather like ancient kits. These were given to me, having been discovered in a mouldering larger box after someone had died. I believe they were first produced in the late-'40s (pre-dating Sayer Chaplin?), but production ceased when there was an embargo on the use of brass do to its being needed in the making of munitions following the outbreak of the Korean War. They were stamped-out/cut-out rather than being etched.

 

And...............

 

 

 

I thought this one made-up quite well, given its origins. 

 

Thus............

 

 

 

After I'd painted/lettered/numbered/weathered it, it's quite happy as part of LB's MR/M&GNR loco stud (though I need to fix that pushed-in window of the first Goddard ex-LMS carriage it's hauling).

 

Does anyone else have examples of really old kits, even if they no longer cost 36 shillings and eight pence? That's quite a price from over 70 years ago! 

 

 

[cctransuk]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Memories of Sayer Chaplin...........

 

Is it my imagination, but didn't guy Williams once use some parts to build a loco for Pendon in the early days? It could be (probably is) my ever-crumbling memory, but I seem to recall a mention in the MRC of decades ago.

 

Has anyone on here ever built one of their kits?

 

There was an article in one of the MRJ compendia on building a Sayer-Chaplin LMS diesel shunter kit.

 

John Isherwood.

[PMP]

5 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

I've never built a Sayer Chaplin kit - a bit before my time!

They were certainly an early exponent of the technology. I think they were quite collectible at one time, so presumably a complete kit would be of interest to a collector. No idea of the value though.

[Coach bogie]

Ken Northwood of Torreyford fame (Modeller Oct 62 et al) built and ran several Sayer kits. Just to show how old they are, his modified hall from Sayer Chapman parts won an award at the Model Railway Engineering Exhibition in 1953. It had a Pitman motor, in the tender, driving the loco via Graham Farish UV joints so he could fill the loco with lead to haul the less than free running stock of the time.

 

 

Mike Wiltshire

[uax6]

That Acro 4F is a thing of beauty. Its certainly something that belies its age, maybe the only thing that points to the age is the Romford screw coupling on the front, which is just massive. 

I have to say I do like it, and its nice to have some real locos being built Tony (running for cover...)!

 

Andy G

[MJI]

This arrived this morning

 

Will be 41900

 

[Coach bogie]

As ACRO has come up, my wife and I were in a local antique shop and I spotted this, in the display case. Three pre 1971 prices. Lovely wife bought it for me. I do not want to paint it. For the time it came out, the detail is outstanding.

 

Mike Wiltshire

 

[jwealleans]

I think these may have been on here before, but it never hurts.   They are excellent for their age as Mike observes.

 

 

 

I don't have the same qualms about painting and weathering them.  I made the bolsters for the Quad, but the rest is original.

[paul.anderson@poptel.org]

I'd never heard of Sayer Chaplin until yesterday - and it was based five minutes' walk from where I live in Ipswich, opposite my local post office. Can anyone direct me to a history? I'm intrigued! 

[Tony Wright]

Ben Jones of Heljan dropped off the firm's latest Newton Chambers Anglo Scottish Car Carriers for me to photograph and review for BRM.

 

Wow, what fantastic things they are!

 

 

 

 

I couldn't wait to couple up a suitable loco.

 

 

And a diesel in the opposite direction.

 

 

I remember the actual The Anglo Scottish Car Carrier very well.

 

In the days when WMRC used to run Stoke Summit............

 

 

 

We had a set made by Dave Lewis from his own kits. 

 

Howard Smith and I shot moving footage of the Heljan cars this afternoon, which will appear on here soon. 

 

 

 

 

[coronach]

I recall two or three of these vehicles stabled at York in the motorail siding (old platform 1) on a Saturday morning in the late 70s. I think they were used in the York - Inverness sleeper / motorail which operated on alternate nights usually hauled by a class 40. The only occasion I saw the train was on a winter’s morning when heavy snow delayed its arrival into York by about 4 hours. By then, the lower deck was out of action following an accident when a railway employee became trapped / crushed. Lovely models of an unusual prototype. 

[polybear]

A quick Google suggests the Heljan Car Transporters will only(?) be sold as a set of three, around £200.

[Tony Wright]

29 minutes ago, polybear said:

A quick Google suggests the Heljan Car Transporters will only(?) be sold as a set of three, around £200.

Good morning Brian,

 

That would appear to be the case, especially in original maroon............

 

 

It's a beautifully-presented package.

 

Alternative couplings are supplied, and a bag of end-detail bits should the buyer wish to fit them (some of those bits get in the way of the tension-locks). 

 

One thing I didn't know is that the roof lights' positions varied between batches. These are catered for. 

 

My full review will be in BRM and a video of the train in action will appear on WOR.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

A couple or so more points regarding the 'Anglo-Scottish Car Carrier'............

 

Most of the prototype photographs I have of it show the southbound service, with the passenger accommodation at the rear (four Mk.1s, including a catering car). Does anyone know what these were, please (I don't have the relevant CWNs for the period)? Secondly, did they carry destination boards? 

 

Finally, if £200.00 is the price for a set of three of the Heljan models, what does a Southern Pride kit of one cost, please (if still available)?

 

Thanks in anticipation. 

[lee74clarke]

14 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

A couple or so more points regarding the 'Anglo-Scottish Car Carrier'............

 

Most of the prototype photographs I have of it show the southbound service, with the passenger accommodation at the rear (four Mk.1s, including a catering car). Does anyone know what these were, please (I don't have the relevant CWNs for the period)? Secondly, did they carry destination boards? 

 

Finally, if £200.00 is the price for a set of three of the Heljan models, what does a Southern Pride kit of one cost, please (if still available)?

 

Thanks in anticipation. 

Good Morning Tony

 

A quick search, and I found I asked you the same question on May 25th 2014! It was a BSO, FK, RU, and an FO.

 

Best Regards,

Lee

[davidw]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

A couple or so more points regarding the 'Anglo-Scottish Car Carrier'............

 

Most of the prototype photographs I have of it show the southbound service, with the passenger accommodation at the rear (four Mk.1s, including a catering car). Does anyone know what these were, please (I don't have the relevant CWNs for the period)? Secondly, did they carry destination boards? 

 

Finally, if £200.00 is the price for a set of three of the Heljan models, what does a Southern Pride kit of one cost, please (if still available)?

 

Thanks in anticipation. 

The SPM are just under £40 ea. The alternative to the SPM or Heljan is the Bachmann EFE versions announced a few months back. Werepoilt for choice.

Edited August 3, 2023 by davidw

[Jol Wilkinson]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Brian,

 

That would appear to be the case, especially in original maroon............

 

 

It's a beautifully-presented package.

 

Alternative couplings are supplied, and a bag of end-detail bits should the buyer wish to fit them (some of those bits get in the way of the tension-locks). 

 

One thing I didn't know is that the roof lights' positions varied between batches. These are catered for. 

 

My full review will be in BRM and a video of the train in action will appear on WOR.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

If you buy them to run on a layout then the packaging is rather irrelevant - other than for safe transport. However, this may be a further example of a product that is aimed at the collector market or to satisfy those who get the most pleasure out of buying and owning things.

 

Who will be first with an "unboxing video"? There's an opportunity for you, Tony.

[Barry Ten]

34 minutes ago, Jol Wilkinson said:

 

If you buy them to run on a layout then the packaging is rather irrelevant - other than for safe transport. However, this may be a further example of a product that is aimed at the collector market or to satisfy those who get the most pleasure out of buying and owning things.

 

Who will be first with an "unboxing video"? There's an opportunity for you, Tony.

 

i understand the need to protect items during shipping, but I don't like the trend toward lavish, bulky packaging that seems to be increasingly the norm with model railway products. As you say, probably driven by the collector market to a degree.

[cctransuk]

1 minute ago, Barry Ten said:

 

i understand the need to protect items during shipping, but I don't like the trend toward lavish, bulky packaging that seems to be increasingly the norm with model railway products. As you say, probably driven by the collector market to a degree.

 

Totally OTT - if I bought them; (which I won't, having SP kits); the box would go in the bin.

 

Apart from anything else, I could store two or three times as many models in the space that box would occupy!

 

CJI.