Popular Post Tony Wright Posted February 12 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 12 The next............ I wasn't aware of his taking this! I'll see if I can copy some of these angles. 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffer Davies Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Captain Kernow said: I make up a brass clip, which holds the cassette in place and also provides electrical continuity. Any chance of a photo please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted February 12 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Andy Hayter said: I use crocodile clips. Re use of brass strip: Brass is weak with regards to work hardening. Bending back and forth - as I guess your strip will do as cassettes are added and removed, lakes the metal crystalline and cause it to fail. It's the same process we use when that rusty nail fails to come out of a piece of wood. Waggle it back and forth and lo, it snaps off. I'm not sure if there's any science to back up the following anecdotal observation, but in line with the weakness of brass, I find that when forming sharp bends in wire (eg for handrails or Spratt & Winkle loops) if I form the bend slowly, it seems to tolerate being undone and adjusted more than if the bend is formed quickly. Could be complete cobblers of course. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post lezz01 Posted February 12 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, Barry Ten said: I'm not sure if there's any science to back up the following anecdotal observation, but in line with the weakness of brass, I find that when forming sharp bends in wire (eg for handrails or Spratt & Winkle loops) if I form the bend slowly, it seems to tolerate being undone and adjusted more than if the bend is formed quickly. Could be complete cobblers of course. No it isn't cobblers. If the bend is formed slowly the bond between the molecules is less likely to fracture than if done quickly as it reduces metal fatigue, adding a small amount of heat helps as well but too much heat will make the brass soft. It's all to do with ionic bonds in metal and inorganic chemistry, in organic chemistry the atoms join with covalent bonds and in some cases they share electrons to form molecules, in inorganic chemistry the atoms line up in columns so when you bend things that are cold the columns can fracture. If you use a lot of heat and make the brass soft once it's bent to the required shape you can reharden it by heating it up again and the quenching it in either water or oil. It works better with steel than brass but it does still work with brass. So to recap to soften metal heat it up and let it cool down without quenching and heating up and cooling it down by quenching will harden it or reharden it if you've softened it. Regards Lez. 11 1 1 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tony Teague said: I hate to disturb this stimulating discussion on accountancy, project management and the like 🥱, but may I ask a model railway related question? My layout has a cassette system for extra storage and the cassettes are formed from a plywood strip with aluminium angle on either side which act as rails for trains stored on the cassettes; when installed for running, the cassettes are held in place and connected electrically by a brass strip to either side, and unfortunately, despite really very little usage one of these brass strips has snapped off. This is a view of the arrangement pre-snapping, withe the cassette stretching to the left and the two brass strips curving out to the top & bottom of the image: So my question is, how have other people located and connected their cassettes and should I be using something more flexible or springy than brass? Apologies for this railway-related intrusion, but all suggestions appreciated! Tony I didn't look closely enough when I commented earlier. Rather than using those external brass strips, I made the internal flat strips that you have there differently. Mine are pieces of tin plate, cut from a can, folded over on themselves (leaving the protruding folded end slightly rounded rather than folded flat) so that when screwed down the projecting folded end exerts some natural downward pressure. They provide both the alignment and the electrical contact. Edited February 12 by gr.king 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 10/02/2024 at 22:40, Clive Mortimore said: But I no longer drink alcohol. And being too old to be a rocker, and chained to the sink by marriage preventing chasing the girls doesn't leave you with much now . . . . The salvation is railway modelling. 1 1 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted February 12 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12 Thanks for the several suggestions relating to the electrical connectivtiy of my cassettes; a further suggestion has been made to me 'off-line', via the use of audio jackplugs attached to the cassettes, which sounds interesting and if anything, even more fool-proof than crocodile clips. The locating aspect for the cassettes is less of an issue because there are already brackets in place which make getting this wrong quite difficult. I will explore and report back in due course. Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuselah Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 29 minutes ago, grahame said: And being too old to be a rocker, and chained to the sink by marriage preventing chasing the girls doesn't leave you with much now . . . . The salvation is railway modelling. I think the railway modelling should be 'in addition to', rather than instead of......🙂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted February 12 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 12 Just a taster of what's to come............... A South Eastern Finecast Castle, Portescap-powered. I'm asking £200.00 for this ONO. A Westward Grange, powered by a Comet/Mashima combination. I'm asking £150.00 for this ONO. Both these locos were built/painted/weathered by Peter Lawson. Although he only built models for himself, every one I've tested so far runs beautifully - far better than probably 90% of the 'professionally-built' locos I've had through my hands in recent times (including those by one or two 'well-known' names!). What I find particularly interesting about this collection is that Peter was basing his models on those seen in the Chester/Wirral area; meaning, I've seen every one of the prototypes they're based on. Including.................. 8729. This was one of Chester's pet panniers, always fussing about at the western end of Chester General. I don't think there was a day when I visited the station that it wasn't present. It looks to be an RTR body (made by whom?) on Comet frames with Comet/Mashima drive. Just as I remember her, she's not for sale. Why not? Though I have no 'use' for her, I've bought her myself! How could I not? Anyone interested in the two for sale seen so far, please PM me. There'll be more to come over the coming days. With RTR now in excess of £200.00 for many tender locos, I think I'm asking reasonable prices. Thanks in anticipation............. 19 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 12 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12 14 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Just a taster of what's to come............... A South Eastern Finecast Castle, Portescap-powered. I'm asking £200.00 for this ONO. A Westward Grange, powered by a Comet/Mashima combination. I'm asking £150.00 for this ONO. Both these locos were built/painted/weathered by Peter Lawson. Although he only built models for himself, every one I've tested so far runs beautifully - far better than probably 90% of the 'professionally-built' locos I've had through my hands in recent times (including those by one or two 'well-known' names!). What I find particularly interesting about this collection is that Peter was basing his models on those seen in the Chester/Wirral area; meaning, I've seen every one of the prototypes they're based on. Including.................. 8729. This was one of Chester's pet panniers, always fussing about at the western end of Chester General. I don't think there was a day when I visited the station that it wasn't present. It looks to be an RTR body (made by whom?) on Comet frames with Comet/Mashima drive. Just as I remember her, she's not for sale. Why not? Though I have no 'use' for her, I've bought her myself! How could I not? Anyone interested in the two for sale seen so far, please PM me. There'll be more to come over the coming days. With RTR now in excess of £200.00 for many tender locos, I think I'm asking reasonable prices. Thanks in anticipation............. Feel free to advertise them on my thread @Tony Wright 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Tony Wright said: Just a taster of what's to come............... Both these locos were built/painted/weathered by Peter Lawson. Although he only built models for himself, every one I've tested so far runs beautifully - far better than probably 90% of the 'professionally-built' locos I've had through my hands in recent times (including those by one or two 'well-known' names!). Thanks Tony, for taking on the initial batch of locos to be found new homes, on the usual 10% to CRUK basis. For info to any who might be interested, Peter is a friend of my Dad's and has asked me to help find new homes for his collection. Sadly, he has become too frail to model any more and enjoy his models. It's a very credible decision and I feel honoured to be doing what I can to help out. The kit sales last year were from the same source. He is greatly heartened by the interest shown so far. I estimate about 150 locos in total, a mixture of RTR and kit-built. Largely ex-GWR and ex-LMS types, with some BR standard types making up the numbers. All in 1950s/60s BR condition. It's going to take most of the year (I suspect) to recover, catalogue and package (not all have their original boxes) before passing on to Tony. A steady stream is probably better than all in one go in any case, to avoid overwhelming Tony & Mo. I've agreed with Tony that I'll look after the RTR items but I plan to provide a list on Tony's thread. Oh - and there's coaches and wagons as well. Lots of coaches and wagons. 1 hour ago, gwrrob said: Feel free to advertise them on my thread @Tony Wright Rob - that's very kind of you. Neither Tony nor I claim much expertise where it comes to GWR types! Graham 10 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted February 12 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Tony Wright said: It looks to be an RTR body (made by whom?) on Comet frames with Comet/Mashima drive. It’s either a Mainline, Replica, or early Bachmann body from the original design split chassis version of the 57xx. They all used the same body tooling, which is pretty accurate, it was changed and improved when Bachmann introduced the new chassis version around 2004. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 13 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13 Had a look at these on Tony and Mo's stand at Doncaster. They are very well built and look the part. He has turned some Ks kits into beautiful models .. which speaks volumes for his skills! No good to me.. the BR/LMS ones will be of interest. Baz 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Turbutt Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 09/02/2024 at 14:13, 60526 said: Std 5's at 34A has got my attention, I've the Bmann model but it looked out of place for a southern ECML stud. I've just looked at brdatabase.info and found 4 allocated although the latter 3 are more relevant to your modelling of LB - 73071 - 02/56 to 05/57, BR1C tender? 73157 - 11/57 to 11/58, BR1B tender? 73158 - 11/57 to 11/58, BR1B tender? 73159 - 11/57 to 11/58, BR1B tender? The tender information was obtained from a Dec 2005 Model Rail article. Would any of the Sheffield std 5's have come past Little Bytham? As usual I'm having trouble keeping up with WW but this caught my eye and jogged a memory of a comment in PN Townend's Top Shed where he mentioned the allocation of Std 5s. So I looked it up again and was surprised to find on page 109 (1975 edition) a mention of an LMS Black 5, 44911, also being allocated on loan to 34A which I had forgotten about. Apparently it was used for AWS testing. There was also some suggestion in the text that along with the Std 5s it may have been used sometime on the Kings X - Hull service although the B1s were generally preferred by the enginemen - larger locos not being permitted between Doncaster and Hull. So could it be possible that this LMS Black 5 would have passed through LB. It would be a little early for Tony's time period for LB (1958?) but close enough for Rule1. BRDatabase records 44911 transferred from Chester w/e 25/2/56 on loan to KingsX until w/e 18/5/57 when it returned to Chester. Given the Chester connection Tony may well have seen it there. With the wide ranging of LMS Black 5s on specials etc I guess they may not have been that rare on the ECML north of Peterborough. In connection with nicknames, also discussed earlier, I think I read somewhere that 'Black' 5s was used to distinguish them from Jubilees which were called 'Reduns'. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keith Turbutt Posted February 13 Popular Post Share Posted February 13 (edited) ........ meanwhile a distraction from railway matters. 16 week old Norwegian Forest cats Edited February 13 by Keith Turbutt 24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Keith Turbutt said: As usual I'm having trouble keeping up with WW but this caught my eye and jogged a memory of a comment in PN Townend's Top Shed where he mentioned the allocation of Std 5s. So I looked it up again and was surprised to find on page 109 (1975 edition) a mention of an LMS Black 5, 44911, also being allocated on loan to 34A which I had forgotten about. Apparently it was used for AWS testing. There was also some suggestion in the text that along with the Std 5s it may have been used sometime on the Kings X - Hull service although the B1s were generally preferred by the enginemen - larger locos not being permitted between Doncaster and Hull. So could it be possible that this LMS Black 5 would have passed through LB. It would be a little early for Tony's time period for LB (1958?) but close enough for Rule1. BRDatabase records 44911 transferred from Chester w/e 25/2/56 on loan to KingsX until w/e 18/5/57 when it returned to Chester. Given the Chester connection Tony may well have seen it there. With the wide ranging of LMS Black 5s on specials etc I guess they may not have been that rare on the ECML north of Peterborough. In connection with nicknames, also discussed earlier, I think I read somewhere that 'Black' 5s was used to distinguish them from Jubilees which were called 'Reduns'. Good afternoon Keith, Thanks for that info'. 44941? Yes, I definitely saw it (though at Chester, not on the ECML). Still, for Rule 1, it's a definite possibility; definitely something different! Interestingly, Irwell's The Book of the Black Fives, Part 4 makes no mention of its loan to 34A, nor any mention of it ever being shedded at Chester (6A?). I wonder if Hornby will be doing a manifestation of its type (domed boiler, centre top feed and (what looks like) a welded tender? It would be quicker than my building it (hypocrisy with regard to RTR in this case!). Lovely cats, by the way.......... Regards, Tony. Edited February 13 by Tony Wright Wrong Black Five - see later posts 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Turbutt Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 9 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: Good afternoon Keith, Thanks for that info'. 44941? Yes, I definitely saw it (though at Chester, not on the ECML). Still, for Rule 1, it's a definite possibility; definitely something different! Hi Tony The number is 44911 - was that what you meant to type? Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted February 13 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 13 I've been taking some 'similar' shots to the ones I posted the other day; those taken by John Forman. I should have been more diligent in trying to get the same angles but, for much of the time, John hand-held his camera. I failed to take notice of the camera he was using, or even if it had inter-changeable lenses. There are definitely differences, not least the colour renderings between the camera. Regarding that, I've 'pepped-up' the colour in my pictures a lot more than I usually do. My Nikon Df gives very subtle colours at source; something I prefer. The comparisons................ John's pictures are the first in each case. I don't have a 90201, so this detailed/weathered Bachmann Austerity will have to do. A somewhat different angle but the same loco. Again a different angle. Mine's more of a close-up here. No matter how hard I fiddled, I couldn't get near the same colour saturation for this shot, so gave up. Leaving this with the colours the Df rendered at source. So............. I tried B&W. Any comments? Other than the colour, the greater depth of field in my pictures is the biggest difference I can detect, though I don't know if John used a lens which stops down to F.45; unlikely, being hand-held. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, Keith Turbutt said: Hi Tony The number is 44911 - was that what you meant to type? Keith Of course - what a clot I am! Yes, 44911 - there in the Irwell book as at 6A in 1955, 34A (on loan) in 1956, and back to Chester in 1957. 1956? Two years before Bytham's depiction, but only a year before when the Black Five returned home. That's good enough for me! Regards, Tony. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Keith Turbutt said: In connection with nicknames, also discussed earlier, I think I read somewhere that 'Black' 5s was used to distinguish them from Jubilees which were called 'Reduns'. The quote I'm convinced I've read - but, frustratingly, couldn't put my hands on just now - went something like: 'The Black 'uns are alright*; but the Red 'uns won't steam!' [1930s LMS enginemen] (*if I've got that right, then one of the classic understatements of all (railway) time) The statement would have been 1935-ish when both the new Stanier mixed traffic and express passenger 4-6-0s were coming on stream in numbers. As is well-known, they had markedly different introductions, the 5MTs making an immediate (positive) impact, whereas the 5XPs suffered from indifferent steaming and were soon being compared unfavourably with the 'Patriots', a type they were supposed to be an improvement on. A J Powell in 'Stanier 4-6-0s at Work' records 17 different boiler configurations in an attempt to get them right! Not that they didn't tinker with the Black 5 boilers, mind ... The 1937 exploits of 5660 'Rooke' over the Settle & Carlisle proved what a good inherent design the 5XPs ('Jubilee) were, with the draughting and superheating optimised. Edited February 13 by LNER4479 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted February 13 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13 36 minutes ago, Tony Wright said: I've been taking some 'similar' shots to the ones I posted the other day; those taken by John Forman. Any comments? Other than the colour, the greater depth of field in my pictures is the biggest difference I can detect, though I don't know if John used a lens which stops down to F.45; unlikely, being hand-held. Tony Also seemed to me that there were differences in the focal lengths used in several of the shots; without knowing what he used it would be incredibly difficult to replicate things precisely. Nevertheless an interesting exercise and some different angles from those normally seen. Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Tony Teague said: Tony Also seemed to me that there were differences in the focal lengths used in several of the shots; without knowing what he used it would be incredibly difficult to replicate things precisely. Nevertheless an interesting exercise and some different angles from those normally seen. Tony They do show up just how small a radius curve is required to get the track layout into a reasonable space. Tony does a brilliant job in his photographs to conceal this. Bernard 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JamesSpooner Posted February 13 Popular Post Share Posted February 13 (edited) I do like the additional depth of focus you have in your photos, as well as the slightly cooler colour palate. The black and white photos also resonate well, partly I suppose, because one is so used to seeing photos of the prototype in black and white. When I had a carpel tunnel op just over a year ago I tried experimenting on my layout in the absence of being able to model. One of those photos is attached. Nigel Edited February 13 by JamesSpooner Reformat 22 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted February 13 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, JamesSpooner said: I do like the additional depth of focus you have in your photos, as well as the slightly cooler colour palate. The black and white photos also resonate well, partly I suppose, because one is so used to seeing photos of the prototype in black and white. When I had a carpel tunnel op just over a year ago I tried experimenting on my layout in the absence of being able to model. One of those photos is attached. Nigel Nigel Lavenham ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted February 13 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 13 More of the Peter Lawson locos......... In the light of my making enquiries today regarding prices....................... A K's 43XX (though not K's mechanics). £100.00. A K's 57XX (though not K's mechanics). £80.00. A Little Engines WR ROD. £140.00. An M&L 78XX £140.00. A Nu-Cast 57XX £80.00. A Nu-Cast Hall (Portescap). £170.00 A South Eastern Finecast 51XX £110.00. A South Eastern Finecast Hall (Portescap) £140.00. A South Eastern Finecast Castle (Portescap) £170.00. A Westward Grange £150.00. Anyone interested, please PM me. All of these locos run very well. 16 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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