Cliff Williams Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Here is one of the first Bachmann Midland Blue Pullmans fitted with the newly released Howes of Oxford DCC sound. In fitting the customer's set with the sound we quickly realised that the intended speaker position is not ideal for reproduction and we have gone with a bass reflex speaker fitted in the guards compartment of each power car. In order to fit one of the bulkheads will need removal, but it can be used as an alternative method to disguise the presence of the large speaker from the passenger compartment. http://youtu.be/4YmYQXfPiMw As there is very little authentic sound of the Blue Pullman on record, this project has been carefully created based on what can be regarded as the genuine, not dubbed recordings. The horns are produced to replicate the pitch and sound of the prototype, the F10 horn being a tribute to the double one heard on old archive footage. As this train ran primarily ran between London and Manchester the station announcements have been created using the correct departure timings for those stations, noting in the interest of authenticity, that in those days there was no such thing as a 24 clock announcement!!. The decoders are supplied as forward (Car A)driving and rear (Car F) trailing. The horn sounds have been made directional so they are only played from the lead power car. Pressing F2 and 3 at the same time plays both tones together, this practice was apparently used as by the driver as an emergency warning, pressing F2 and 3 together again stops the two horns. F19 is a 4 step volume control and mute, by repeated pressing of the function button the operator can set the level they wish, F21 is a fade up/down control which is set at 25% on fade down, useful for entering or leaving the display area of a layout, the minimum level can be changed by the operator by altering the value of CV133, values are 0 min 128 max, the default is set at 32 (25%). and here are the functions..... F0 Head, Tail and interior lights on/off F1 Sound on off F2 Double Horn playable in direction of travel F3 Double Horn playable in direction of travel F4 Single Horn playable in direction of travel F5 Carriage door slam F6 Guards whistle F7 Guard driver buzzer F8 Table lights (Aux 1) F9 Cab lights (Aux 2) F10 Low high low high horn in direction of travel F11 Station announcement at Manchester F12 Station announcement at St Pancras F13 Flange squeal F14 Wheel / sleeper groan F15 Accel Decel override F16 Shunt mode - Half speed F17 Diesel Notch up F18 Diesel Notch down F19 Volume control Mute to Max in 4 steps F20 Disable Brake sound F21 Sound fade up down With thanks to Bryan Robertson, Howes and Big Jim who will be along soon with his video too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2012 Thats the first time ive heard the howes blue pullman, bryans set is sat here on my dining room table ready to get a video on thursday evening at 250bobs house, with any luck we'll try and get a chase video done I was laughing with bryan about how he put his best poshest accent on to do the station announcment (his wife did the other one), i dont think the announcment would have had the same effect with bryans normal west country accent "Alroight luvver, the train on platform 1 dont stop manchester on wednesday" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legomanbiffo Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I was laughing with bryan about how he put his best poshest accent on to do the station announcment (his wife did the other one) ROFL, is that really how you did it, I was wondering where those recordings came from?! You had me fooled anyway. Well done, nice bit of lateral thinking guys, sometimes needs must :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The West Country accent might just be appropriate for the units after they were transferred to the WR though - keep Bryan on standby for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 If I heard correctly the station announcement of the departure from Manchester (Central) to London (St. Pancras) was from Platform 2 This is incorrect as it always departed from and arrived at the same platform at Manchester Central, Platform 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2012 If I heard correctly the station announcement of the departure from Manchester (Central) to London (St. Pancras) was from Platform 2 This is incorrect as it always departed from and arrived at the same platform at Manchester Central, Platform 6 i will let bryan know tomorrow! all useful info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 21, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2012 from bryan..... Thanks for that info Ron, I chose a low platform number without doing any research, I may even be wrong about the St Pancras platform too, maybe someone can throw some light on that. Lets just say that for the ones I have done already that there was a platform alteration!!. I worked at Paddington and saw WR ones on 5 and 6 regularly so if/when the WR one is forthcoming the Mrs can do the Paddington one correctly, and for you Jeff, I will do the Bristol departure with my Devon accent so twill be more realistic like. then of course there is the mid day Oxford Pullman departure and the Nottinghanm one from St Pancras too . I knew when I did the announcements they might provoke a response. constructive comments or otherwise are always welcome. If anyone orders a BP decoder/pair through Howes and fancies doing an announcement of their own for it, record it as a wav file or MP3 and pm it to me via Jim I will gladly edit it, add the echo etc and program it on their decoders. Personally I cant stand hearing my own voice on playback but with the reverb echo added it becomes bareable!!. I said that about the wifes announcement, Thats when the fight started!!, The announcements were done because the BP only ran certain routes at certain times so it was easy to be specific thus making them more authentic. Any info re the platforms regularly used at Nottingham and Bristol will be welcome for future reference. Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Heggs Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 from bryan..... Thanks for that info Ron, I chose a low platform number without doing any research, I may even be wrong about the St Pancras platform too, maybe someone can throw some light on that. Hi, Bryan From examination of a number of published photographs of the BP at St. Pancras, it would appear that the BP normally arrived and departed from Platform 2. Exceptions were a number of trial and press runs Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Sounds realy good......nice vid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinjamesporter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Will these be on sale on the howes stand at Warley? Best wishes Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2012 Will these be on sale on the howes stand at Warley? Best wishes Colin Just spoke to bryan, they only have 3 pairs for sale at warley, he can do more for sunday depending on how the other go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinjamesporter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Would it be possible to ask him if he could put a pair aside for me to collect and pay for saturday please. Best wishes Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2012 Would it be possible to ask him if he could put a pair aside for me to collect and pay for saturday please. Best wishes Colin Ill be speaking to him again later but it may be best to speak to howes and ask them what they can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinjamesporter Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Just rang them. They have sorted one for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2012 right, video No1 from me, hopefully i can get the chase video edited later today and add it to youtube, this video was shot and edited entirely on my iphone the chase video was done on a camcorder so needs editing on the computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2012 bit shaky this one as i cant get the video to load into my editing software but this is the unedited chase video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2012 Within the confines of a 4mm scale model, using miniature technology, and filmed & recorded ditto, I would regard that as a success. The prime mover sounds are very reminiscent of those in the shed at Derby on the BTF film. I am not a customer for the BP - wrong era, wrong locale - but for those who like sound in small-scale models (I have 30+ HO sound locos) this is a great enhancement for the excellent Bachmann product, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Brilliant !! I have been given the good ahead to get a BP in the New Year then hopefully add some sound later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldknotty Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Absolutely fantastic you guys are going to cause me to go broke it seems :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Thanks for bringing the BP round last night Jim. Really enjoyed doing the video with you...I think it has come out well. The station announcements are brilliant.....especially the female one!!! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinjamesporter Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Picked mine up at warly yesterday and fitted it last night. Absolutely brilliant sound. Would recommend it to anyone considering it. Best wishes Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2012 Picked mine up at warly yesterday and fitted it last night. Absolutely brilliant sound. Would recommend it to anyone considering it. Best wishes Colin Hi Colin. Glad you like the BP, just one mod that I had to make after the first couple of decoder sets had gone out, the brake noise start threshold was starting too late so the sound continued on a fraction after the train stopped. to rectify this change CV64 to value 30. Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinjamesporter Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Thanks for the information Bryan. I need to ring Howes tomorrow as power car A suddenly stopped working . I tryed the original chip in it on its own and it still works i thought it was a motor failure but it seems the chip has failed. I tryed the chip in a spare chassis but had no response either. It was odd as it showed no sign of a short and the chip was not hot. The unit was coupled in the correct order as i had been running the unit before hand and just uncoupled the power cars to install the chips and had only had around an hours running all together. I have installed a few howes chips in locos but havent had a problem before. Does anyone have any idea what has happened? Best wishes Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2012 Colin. Try a Cv 8 reset on the decoder this will reset all CVs to my default including address 3 if it does not respond it may well need to be returned cant offer any more than that, mine was on the test layout today at Warley for 3 hours, apart from on end cars lights not working which I will look at shortly, the train ran superbly. NB dont forget you cant program both decoders at the same time.. Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinjamesporter Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Hi Bryan, I tried the reset but there was no response but the chip was feeling warm this time. I will organise returning the chip tomorrow. Should i just post it back to Howes with a covering letter or ring up before i send it? Thanks for all the help. Best wishes Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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