RMweb Gold farren Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2012 well done Hornby there seems to be something for most , Duke of Gloucester seems an interesting model to build as in just how many will sell as you will only ever need one unless we might be seeing a railroad 6MT/7MT in the years to come or maybe some duke bashing in the future on the RTR segment of this forum and for under £70 i might give that a go my self. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re moulded details and 3 pole motors, how many motorists would prefer, a Mini to be built to the exacting standards of British Motor Corporation Ltd rather than those laid by Bayerische Motoren Werke AG. Me for one !!!. Modern cars (like modern model trains) are getting FAR too complicated, and thus expensive. The major motor manufacturers also need a "Railroad" range. (Remember the ford Pop !). And that I think is the really worrying factor. For the many current 'pre-design-clever' products that are being turned out, they would now seem to be on a spiraling upward cost and price in the future. Unless we are moving toward a situation where the first production batch, largely snaffled up by pre-orders, is all there is ever going to be. If this is to be the case, the whole basis of the 'Hornby stockist' model shop will change irrevocably. I think, unfortunatley, this will (allready is) happen (ing). Good news is that the P2 & DOG will be availiable in both ranges. Hattons has both (Railroad) on pre-order at a little over £60 - get your order in. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combe Martin Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I do hope you're right about one of these tender 'tops' being a new Hornby addition, but their picture on their website shows 34046 with a 4,500 gallon standard tender, with which, as a rebuild, it was, of course, never paired. I have an awful feeling that Hornby have chosen this engine to model as it is about to return to the main line and that whoever chose it is unaware that it had a unique tender in service (Braunton's tender was the only re-bodied 5,500 gallon one, the other three started life as 4,500 gallon ones). I've told them, but I dont suppose I'll be the only one ! I'd like it without sound as well. Is there any mileage in suggesting that sound models are also produced without it to keep the cost down for those of us that dont model sound ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Scottish Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Thankfully the Hornby A3s (along with others) will remain a high end product for now as SK explained. I suppose it will depend on how the High end stuff continues to sell when compared to new (breathe in!) design clever stuff and of course the return it provides. Hornby, for obvious reasons, will always need the A3 in their range and a part of me hopes that the existing tooling will continue to justify its existence long enough for other variants to be produced. That said, it seems, sadly, that we won't be seeing Book Law RP. Remember there is also a Railroad Flying Scotsman. Maybe alternate A3s will start to appear there. I suspect the non appearance of some A3s maybe due to limited production capacity at the existing subcontractors. If they have all these seperate parts they are probably labour intensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2012 Me for one !!!. Modern cars (like modern model trains) are getting FAR too complicated, and thus expensive. The major motor manufacturers also need a "Railroad" range. (Remember the ford Pop !). Brit15 Right up until there's a cold morning and it wont start or God forbid you're in an accident. Old things have charm, but would I rather get rid of my Bachmann and Vitrains 47s with their excellent drive trains and buy a Hornby 47 with ringfield motor? Not a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2012 just wondering why the 2bils have not got a railroad version? not being a modeler of the southern makes no odds to me but i could see the benefit of having some in that range or is just me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Sad to see the Class 47 in the new set being a Hornby one and not the ex-lima one. I think the ex-lima version was better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2012 Mike, the oddest thing is the M7. It's shown as 'new' for 2013 on Hornby's site but it appeared in the Pull-Push train pack in 2012 and. presumably, lots of people have one. Does a different box really merit the description 'new', I wonder? If you look at page 26 of the Hornby PDF here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/Hornby2013/Hornby_announcements_2013.pdf the M7 30055 is not shown as "new" - look top right and it is shown as "2012". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2012 The announcement of rebuilt West Country 34046 Braunton with late crest suggests some new tooling which hasn't had a mention so far. This loco ran with a rebodied tender that is not currently in the Hornby range, (My underlining above) Not being an expert, I suspect the model of Braunton is a late addition as it's returning to the main line. Which version of tender does it have now, and is that a version Hornby already do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2012 just wondering why the 2bils have not got a railroad version? You can still find the Tri-ang version around the traps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckinneyc Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 In an email response to my feedback Simon Kohler explained Design Clever to me a bit more. He said it was flexible. And I think that is the key word in the world of model railways and in business as a whole. He also went onto say that because Design Clever approach is flexible that if they receive negative feedback when models are released it will be much easier to rectify problem areas on future releases. All in all Hornby should be given the benefit of the doubt and I must applaud their willingness to engage with modellers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 What are Concessions Exclusives? I only saw them on the PDF but not on the Hornby website Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2012 What are Concessions Exclusives? I only saw them on the PDF but not on the Hornby website Not sold via every retailer - special editions ordered by a shop or chain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggesford box Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Phew, the wallet is safe at least from the attentions of messers Hornby this year though I will probably go for the van B in blue. Can remember helping load one with pool tables and blacboards many years ago and realising with the internal partitions you could barely get more in than you could in a Fruit D. Regarding Miss Prisms worries I know that much American outline stuff you need to preorder or face a very real likelihood of not getting what you want. Ordered some woodchip hoppers in Spring for August delivery. They finally turned up the other day so adding sixty quid or so on the credit card at what is already an expensive time of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 45156 Posted December 18, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2012 I've not read all 19 pages of this froth discussion, but my thoughts are that the new announcements are just about what we might expect in today's getting saturated marketplace. We are seeing more and more launches of smaller and smaller classes - I believe it started with the Q1, and the Blue Pullman also developed this theme as have some of the "specials" commisionnd by the likes of Kernow and Hattons (other specialist suppliers are also available) it was only a matter of time before the P2 and Standard 8P arrived in the RTR ranges. The 2-BIL and new liveried 5-BEL reflect the increasing interest in RTR 3rd rail traction, and the 60s livery was a logical extension of the existing BEL units. For those who wonder about the Duke - it fits in with a present day layout as well as the end of steam era, so is likely to sell. I wonder if some enterprising modeller will decide in his or her world that 71000 was a success first time round, and as a result, another seven or eight were built, so some nifty renumbering, and a few computer produced number plates, and hey presto, some additional new LMR locos for the imaginary fleet. Me - I think it is a bold and imaginative list coming at a time when money is getting tighter, and I wish Hornby every success with the models. I'm in for a 2-BIL just beacuse of my Southern association, and a Duke, as it is just about the finest steam loco ever built (now that it's mended). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Clever stuff , Hornby, all those railroad gadgets for the younger generation. I see this as imperative to make a final stand in trying to attract yoof to the hobby. LL 56 been asked for for ages , so I hope it sells well. May even get one myself. Now, some time back when Hormby duplicated the 08 shunter that was already made by blue boxes, they said they had to have one as a vital piece of railway history over 5(?) decades, and thus essential to any range. At present , on that basis, I'm surprised we haven't seen a new tool 37/47. It's a bit like Ford not having a hatchback or family car in the range. I' m not wishlisting as it doesn't matter, but I'd be interested to know if SK will be pursuing the idea further in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OFFTHE RAILS Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 We are seeing more and more launches of smaller and smaller classes - I believe it started with the Q1, and the Blue Pullman also developed this theme ............... Hang on - there were 40 Q1s but only 35 A4s !! I must congratulate Hornby on planning to produce the GWR "Star", I did notice that each version pictured appeared to have brass splasher beading which I thought was removed from existing Stars during WW1. So Knight Of The Grand Cross with the 1930s livery should have no beading. Lode Star "as preserved" should have no beading. The Abbeys were built in 1922-23 so presumably they had the beading - or did they? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
highpeak Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 In an email response to my feedback Simon Kohler explained Design Clever to me a bit more. He said it was flexible. And I think that is the key word in the world of model railways and in business as a whole. He also went onto say that because Design Clever approach is flexible that if they receive negative feedback when models are released it will be much easier to rectify problem areas on future releases. All in all Hornby should be given the benefit of the doubt and I must applaud their willingness to engage with modellers There's a short article in Railroad Model Craftsman this month describing the process of producing laser-cut kits. It includes this: "After a project has been selected, it must be evaluated to determine if it is practical to manufacture, choices made for the production methods and the materials for its parts, see if it can be manufactured at a cost that will allow for an acceptable retail selling price, and if, in fact, it has enough appeal that will result in adequate sales to cover the development and manufacturing costs, thus providing a reasonable profit." I think Design Clever needs to be considered in that context. And full marks to SK for responding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
22xx Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 GWR Lode Star has caught my eye. Right time period, right livery and was on my wishlist Same here, although GWR isn't my main thing. I checked earlier, and the Steam website is ready and waiting ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 There's a short article in Railroad Model Craftsman this month describing the process of producing laser-cut kits. It includes this: "After a project has been selected, it must be evaluated to determine if it is practical to manufacture, choices made for the production methods and the materials for its parts, see if it can be manufactured at a cost that will allow for an acceptable retail selling price, and if, in fact, it has enough appeal that will result in adequate sales to cover the development and manufacturing costs, thus providing a reasonable profit."... Perhaps there's rather more to Hornby's approach than is so far apparent, but one would hope that any established manufacture would go through similar processes for any proposed new product. It's hardly a new idea, nor does it need an illiterate management-speak name nor the promotion of the idea that it might in some way be original and imaginative. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60026to Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Technology/progress is whats its all about and my understanding is that the more people that 'buy' into it then costs come down and everyone wins. Theres not much point in comparing other forms of tech being TVs, phones, cars, gaming with model railways as the sums of money involved would be like comparing Sunday morning pubteams football with UEFA Champions League. That said though Hornby are still the household name in model railways and probably make more profit on a railroad item rather than a (IMO) a quality Class 60. So moulded detail and the like may seem like a step backwards and Design Clever just sounds like a pow-wow at Hornby HQ went a bit pear shaped and thats all they could come up with while sitting on bean-bags and drinking super chilled mineral water. I have no idea about the steam engine(s) and whats hot and whats not but as I understand it the Duke Of Gloucester is a one off ie limited liveries, so if I have that correct surely a re-tooled (better but not up to high spec) Class 59 can't be far off (although I would love and buy a top spec 59 or maybe 2 or 3) I also see the point about "it's all about modelling and just about opening a box" but I prefer just to open a box and press play. I am capable of fitting a few hoses and nameplates but draw the line at cutting, drilling, fine detailing a loco to get it up to spec as for respraying (don't ask!). For those that do fair play I applaud you and long may you continue as the results can look stunning but again its all about comparisions and ability and confidence which I lack in railway modelling anyway. One side of railway modelling that I would really like to see though get the full tech approach is DCC sound as I believe it isn't really any good at all and must be worthy of a complete overhaul, maybe Hornby could look into this in the future as I feel some company needs to give it a thought. This harks back to my Hi-Fi days when gold plated speaker banana plugs and thick good quality speaker cables like Cable Talk or QED would improve the sound quality no end compared to using door bell wire. If the product is good then things sell, if it aint well we all know what happens then don't we. Cheers, Matt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Not sold via every retailer - special editions ordered by a shop or chain. So where can I purchase them? Can't find them on the Hornby site... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rris Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Re. the 59s, could it be that Hornby and Bachmann are in a mexican standoff with them...? One is already retailing a simple one whilst the other has already covered its younger brother. Both of them are currently close but no cigar and neither of them, perhaps, want to shoot only to find their competitor has also shot at the same time. It's a hell of a risk but with the pool diminishing until the next wave of DRS et al ordered diesels finally reach these shores they're stuck over this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well made it through to the end! A very brave selection from Hornby and four ticks from me: Lode Star, 2807, the Sentinel and the LMS CCT. An unbranded Sentinel would be useful. Will wait to see what the outcome of "Design Clever" looks like before passing judgement. If it reduces damage while handling the model without compromising appearance when running on a layout and keeps the price down, it could be a useful development. Disapointed to see the duplication of the Hall, but understand that this might be mainly for the Harry Potter Market. As far as the LMS is concerned we have been very well looked after over the last few years by Bachmann and still the Midland 4F, BR livery Compounds, L&Y 2-4-2T, 10000/1, DCC ready Ivatt 2-6-2T, MR Goods Brake Van and Porthole stock to come. Then there is the Hattons/Heljan Garret! There is also the prospect of Bachmann's 2013-14 range to look forward to! Quite enough to challenge my wallet! As Andy said at the beginning a "nothing in it for me" would be unjustified. Well done Hornby a good bounce back from last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I must congratulate Hornby on planning to produce the GWR "Star", I did notice that each version pictured appeared to have brass splasher beading which I thought was removed from existing Stars during WW1. So Knight Of The Grand Cross with the 1930s livery should have no beading. Lode Star "as preserved" should have no beading. The Abbeys were built in 1922-23 so presumably they had the beading - or did they? The Hornby Stars do not have brass splasher beading. You're right, it was removed in WWI and never replaced. I think all the Hornbys will have the modern front end with the larger cylinder sets and without the early bogie brakes etc. Compare: http://www.flickr.co...57623747388230/ http://www.warwicksh.../gwrbsh1749.htm P.S. I'm not convinced by Hornby's fat Castle chimney on the Star. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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