brian777999 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 RT Models produce some white metal kits relating to iron and steel manufacturing (slag wagons etc.) Does anybody make any similar plastic wagon kits relating to the production of iron and steel ? I thought I had seen such things in the past but I cannot locate them now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Are thes of any help? http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/661-725 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/570-1040 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/628-601 They may be HO but it won't show. They will all be available via Model Junction in Slough. http://www.modeljunction.info/estore/ steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2012 Model Junction is my 'local'. If these are of interest, note they are now closed until about 03/04Jan - the website is till functioning but the packers are away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 When most internal steelworks traffic was moved by rail, the purpose-built wagons, such as slag ladles, ingot-mould carriers and so on were normally in a minority. Most movements of scrap, semi-finished product and so on would be in ex-mainline vehicles. Sometimes, these were wagons destined for scrapping, which would run, as bought, until the body was scrap itself, then rebodied if the underframe was sound enough. On other occasions, main-line stock would be 'borrowed' until someone noticed it was missing- pre-TOPS, this could be a very long time for something like a 16-tonner. Paul Bartlett's site has several albums dedicated to rail activity in steelworks; to add to the vehicles he shows, I would add a couple from the former Llanelly Steelworks (later Duport) site:- ex-SR Bulleid Pacific tenders, bodies removed to, as ingot carriers. The middle axles were removed fairly quickly, due to issues with the curves on site. ex-Shell-Mex-BP 14t tank wagons, with the top half of the barrel removed, to give a 'bathtub' shaped scrap carrier- they weren't repainted, so the bottom half of the lettering was still very evident. Wagons to carry finished or semi-finished product would often have the corners picked out in yellow or white to allow crane-drivers to see where to load in the dust-laden atmosphere of the loading bays. Most works had wagon repair and fabrication facilities, where new bodies could be built, and even drastic modifications to chassis carried out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 There are photographs and a few drawings in Monk-Steel, David (2005) Industrial wagons: An introduction. Publ by Industrial Railway Society, 100 pages ISBN 1 901556 33 6. My photographs are findable in this gallery http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/industrialinternalwagons There is a Yahoo group for steel works http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rustfans/ If you look back through the messages there may be information about kits being available. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davelester Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 RT Models produce some white metal kits relating to iron and steel manufacturing (slag wagons etc.) Does anybody make any similar plastic wagon kits relating to the production of iron and steel ? I thought I had seen such things in the past but I cannot locate them now. I'd be very tempted by a airbrake-fitted 9F with eight or nine 56 ton iron ore wagons: http://www.scalefour.../rolling-stock/ (There are other -- more humdrum -- ore trucks on Dave's list). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The three main suppliers are all US based, Walthers, STD and Rix. The later make ingot bogies which are easy enough to scratch build. Walthers make a short torpedo ladle and a Pollock type slag car, both, the latter in particular, are well suited to UK operations. Here are a couple of my slag ladles. I fitted plate frame bogies to one, and diamond frame bogies to the other, both from Cambrian. Those, and buffers, are about the only changes needed to anglicise them .As has been said, though actually HO, they look fine against 4mm stock. STD make a couple of variants of hot metal car, here's the Kling type; Nice kits, they require a bit more work to anglicise them. One of Steve's links shows the open topped ladle variant. Either are suited to the UK. Unless it's been changed, the Plastruct kit contains the trucks but the body is built from a selection of provided standard Plastruct tubes, cones and sections. A bit more work is involved than a normal kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 This thread might prove interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 How modern is your works, though? Slag ladles are rarely used now, and most hot metal carriers are almost enclosed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 I am not sure that Walthers do these slag wagon kits now. But STD still do two types of the hot metal cars. Does anybody in the UK sell these ? http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/std/std725.htm http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/std/std720.htm Who makes suitable buffers for these wagons ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 I have finally finished assembling and painting the Walthers slag car kits. It was quite a fiddly job to ''Anglicise'' them and many thanks to Arthur for his advice on these matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Nice, but my question still stands? Slag used to be tipped. Most is now made into foamed slag for roads, building blocks, etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Very nice work Brian, they've come out really well. Well worth all the time and effort that you have put in. Arthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I take it you've read "The Cyclopedia of Industrial Modelling" by Freytag? Says Copyright M2FQ publications, no ISBN given. Purcahsed mine from Creedstone Pub's in the UK Kev S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Very nice work Brian, they've come out really well. Well worth all the time and effort that you have put in. Thanks Arthur. The lighting is a bit dark and it does not show the rusty metal effect. I probably should have used the flash but the photos always seem a bit too bright with the flash (and too dark without it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A simple conversion for an internal slab carrier could be a shortened Bogie Bolster D from the Cambrian Kit as per this example at Ravenscraig, later at Aldwarke. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ravenscraigwagon/h3d06bce9#h3d06bce9 Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 Here are the finished hot metal cars which also have been ''Anglicised'' to OO gauge : Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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