Jim Martin Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I would like to build or buy a 4mm scale model of a 35-ton glw tank wagon. Is the Airfix / Dapol kit a good basis for a model? If so, what extras are useful for improving it (the RT models' etch)? Failing that, what's the best way of getting one of these wagons? This is well outside my usual area, so all opinions will be gratefully received. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Jim, Have a chat with Shawplan...they were talking of developing a chassis/underframe kit. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Yes, the Airfix/Dapol 'Esso' tank is an excellent model, all things considered. There's a wide range of prototype shots here: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essobtankwagonvb The only particularly 'heavy' bit are the walkways and as you note, the RT Models etch is available and does the job. Some good hints and tips can be had in Geoff Kent's The 4mm Wagon (Part 2). Geoff doesn't actually do a great deal to the kit which, given the standards he works to says a lot. There's already a chassis/detailing kit available from Masokits Dave, which looks very nice indeed but that's only if you want to really go to town since it retains the fundamentals: the tank, its details and the solebars. http://www.scalefour.org/masokits/masokits_download.php?f=Page03.pdf New buffers are a good idea and given the length of them, unless you're using tension locks or other couplings which don't require the buffers to touch, then sprung items are probably a good idea. Dart Castings do some nice ones: http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt.php#WagonComponents-Buffers Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 This might make an ideal 3D printing CAD project for the tank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 This might make an ideal 3D printing CAD project for the tank. Wouldn't it be preferable to make a Class A barrel - they are longer? http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb This would make another wagon type available. The frame is the same, so either the Airfix/Dapol can be used or the etched version . Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted January 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2013 Hi Jim, I recently completed a rake of 7 Dapol tank wagons for a mate. I didn't go into a great detailing project like your proposing, just adding some extra detail from scratch, but one thing I will advocate using are the excellent transfers made by John Isherwood of Cambridge Custom Transfers. The decal sheets are around the BL8 region. Here's the link: http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm Paul Bartlett's website also provides some excellent photographs and information too as suggested, Hope that helps? Cheers, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 This might make an ideal 3D printing CAD project for the tank. Really? The stepping on a cylinder is going to be pretty horrid isn't it? In any event, a length of tube of the appropriate diameter would be cheaper and quicker, especially as you can reuse the ends from the kit. Wouldn't it be preferable to make a Class A barrel - they are longer? http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb This would make another wagon type available. The frame is the same, so either the Airfix/Dapol can be used or the etched version . Paul Bartlett As you note, the only real difference is the longer barrel. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted January 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2013 I would like to build or buy a 4mm scale model of a 35-ton glw tank wagon. Is the Airfix / Dapol kit a good basis for a model? If so, what extras are useful for improving it (the RT models' etch)? Failing that, what's the best way of getting one of these wagons? This is well outside my usual area, so all opinions will be gratefully received. Jim You are correct, it's RT models http://www.rtmodels.co.uk/rt_models_027.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 Many thanks to everyone who replied. I think I'll be investing in one of these and the RT etch for starters, and maybe the Masokits etch as well. Cheers, Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2013 Jim, Have a chat with Shawplan...they were talking of developing a chassis/underframe kit. Cheers Dave The test etches have been done a while, but it's the old enemy, time. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2013 We need a train of 20 of these for Abbotswood - for the Soho Pool tanks in our period Have waited for an RTR for a while now but the time when we have to bite the Dapol bullet is rapidly approaching Will go down the John Isherwood transfer route though with etched ladders and metal buffers as suggested above. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted January 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2013 The test etches have been done a while, but it's the old enemy, time. Mike. If time becomes an ally when might we see them (that's such an unfair question)... ... a fairer one might be... will it just be a chassis kit or with there be other detailing items on it? In other words would you need the RT kit too? Cheers Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2013 If time becomes an ally when might we see them (that's such an unfair question)... ... a fairer one might be... will it just be a chassis kit or with there be other detailing items on it? In other words would you need the RT kit too? Cheers Griff Currently, virtually the only major component used is the tank and it's fittings, etches will be provided for chassis, sprung of course, walkways etc and the ladder, which will be a Colin Craig style construction with side stiles not a flat etch with it's own jig to aid assembly. There are quite a few people holding their cumulative breath ! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted January 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2013 Cheers I shall join those who have inhaled Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnieS Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 We need a train of 20 of these for Abbotswood - for the Soho Pool tanks in our period Have waited for an RTR for a while now but the time when we have to bite the Dapol bullet is rapidly approaching Will go down the John Isherwood transfer route though with etched ladders and metal buffers as suggested above. Phil I have about 30 of these but I believe the train lengths were 19 tanks max to remain in the 680 tons max allowed in a class "C" train. Any comments as this info is based on a conversation a few years back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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