Dave F more photos added 21 June from 1947 to 1955ish

[hmrspaul]

Lovely stuff! I have always thought that the period immediately after nationalisation would be a good one to model but apparently there are very few folk interested in it. One of the big manufacturers once told me that anything with BRITISH RAILWAYS in full on the tender/tank side was a poor seller compared to other liveries. I suppose it was short lived but to be able to have LMS and LNER liveries, plus BRITISH RAILWAYS and the early crest and even some express locos in blue would make for a very unusual and interesting layout.

 

Tony

It is a very difficult period, not very well recorded - yes lots of loco photos but less of other items. The transition of rolling stock is very difficult to accurately reflect, especially as all aspects of maintenance were in a dreadful mess, so getting stock back on the rails took precedence over any interest in external finish. Passenger stock often simply seems to have had a coat of varnish over the pre-Nat (possibly pre-war) finish.

 

For wagons I've been trying for some time to capture the period of unpainted wood, with painted steel work. I've had some success, but I'm not sure about my most recent effort which is to retain LMS bauxite on an unfitted van, so it has grey steelwork, which then flakes back to rust!

 

Paul Bartlett

[DaveF]

Some more this evening.  Back to the Cambridge area together with a couple of trains at Bulwell and Peascliffe Tunnel.  Also a few shots of a railway being built after the war - the line to Calverton Colliery.

 

Cambridge B1 E1312 1948 JVol1241

Not the sharpest image but it has the short lived E prefix.

This may well be 1302 which was a Cambridge engine at the time.

 

Cambridge South B1 le and B1 pass Cambridge to Kings X 1948 JVol1190

 

Trumpington LNER O7 WD up goods c1948 JVol1251

 

Trumpington Stanier 2-6-4T 2566 Cambridge to Bletchley c1948 JVol1247

 

Bulwell viaduct LNER O7 WD up goods 1947 JVol1174

 

Peascliffe Tunnel B1 down parcels c1952 JVol1171

 

Now for the Calverton Colliery branch, built as a double track line.

 

Calverton Colliery Branch construction A60 near Papplewick c1951 JVol1022

 

Calverton Colliery branch construction near A60 Papplewick c1951 JVol1023

 

Calverton Colliery branch construction A60 road bridge c1951 JVol1024

 

Calverton Colliery branch construction bridge across A614 Haywood Oaks c1951 JVol1025

 

David

Edited March 29, 2013 by DaveF

[JeffP]

Those last few are interesting with the period motor cars too.

[DaveF]

Something of a mixed bag again this afternoon, Cambridge, Sandy, Peascliffe and around Nottingham.

 

Cambridge South J15 65461 down goods c1949 JVol1131

Note the windows in the building.

 

Sandy Ivatt 2MT and Stanier 2-6-4T Bletchley to Cambridge c1949 JVol1106

 

Peascliffe Tunnel A3 60052  Prince Palatineup ex pass c1950 JVol1152

 

Nottingham Victoria B1 Nottingham to Sheffield c1950 JVol1127

 

Nottingham Mansfield Junction 2F down goods 1949 JVol1086

 

Radford Junction Fairbairn 2-6-4T and 2P up pass c1950 JVol1103

 

Sandiacre c1950 JVol1112

A train in the far distance

 

Trowell Junction 8F 48182 up goods c1950 JVol1102

 

More later.

 

David

Edited March 27, 2013 by DaveF

[melmerby]

Something of a mixed bag again this afternoon, Cambridge, Sandy, Peascliffe and around Nottingham.

 

Sandy Ivatt 2MT and Stanier 2-6-4T Bletchley to Cambridge c1949 JVol1106

More later.

 

David

Dave, I think you will find that's a class 4 (43000 etc)

 

Keith

Edited March 27, 2013 by melmerby

[DaveF]

Dave, I think you will find that's a class 4 (43000 etc)

 

Keith

You could well be right - 2 and 4 are too close on the keyboard (that's my excuse anyway).

David

[DaveF]

This evening's collection, something of a mixed bag from the Midlands and East.

 

   

 Basford and Bulwell N2 Nottingham Victoria to Derby Friargate c1951 JVol1134   

 

Nottingham London Road Low Level old Royal Carriage c1953 JVol110

 

Grantham A1 up ex pass c1951 JVol113

 

Ratcliffe Junction 8F down goods c1951 JVol1113

 

Wollaton 8F 48003 up le c1951 JVol1108

 

Rugby Rebuilt Royal Scot down ex pass c1954 JVol1107

 

Rugby Stanier 2-6-4T 42585 Rugby to Peterborough c1952 JVol1096 42585

 

Rugby Testing Plant G2a 49402 c1952 JVol1115

 

Trumpington B12 down troop train c1948 JVol1253

 

David

[45568]

David,

           I travelled over the Calverton colliery bridge, and under the Haywood Oaks bridge countless times as a lad in the '50's-60's. It always had track underneath it then, I was born in 1951, but I never saw a train under the bridge. Saw a Peak at Haywood Oaks in the mid 60's though!

As you say, it always looked like a main line, beautifully laid track, and not until much later, when I lived here in Oz, did I find out much more about this fascinating line and the unfulfilled plans.

Can only echo the others,"Keep 'em coming!!"

cheers'

Peter C.

Edit. Just looked on googlemaps, both features can still be seen!

Edited March 28, 2013 by 45568

[Peter Kazmierczak]

Lovely to see some lesser photographed locations such as Wollaton, Sandiacre etc. Lovely atmospheric picture of the N2 at Basford; you can really feel the movement of the train.

[DaveF]

For this afternoon's batch we'll once again visit the Cambridge area before a quick look around Grantham and a flying visit to Scotland.  Also one for pw people. 

 

Cambridge old LMS shed Ivatt 4MT 3001 c1948 JVol126

This loco and location have featured before, but not quite as in this view.

 

Trumpington B1 pass Liverpool St to Cambridge c1948 JVol1260

 

Trumpington C12 7375 down goods c1948 JVol1259

 

Trumpington G2a down goods c1948 JVol1256

 

Trumpington LNER B1 1092 up goods c1948 JVol1262

 

Grantham Canal sidings O4/5 63851 c1951 JVol1160

 

Peascliffe Tunnel A1 60122 Curlew down ex pass c1950 JVol1164

 

Stirling LMS Compound pass Glasgow Buchanan St to Perth 1947 JVol1263

 

Radford Concrete sleepers and bullhead rail c1948 JVol1020

 

David

 

 

 

 

[coachmann]

I was really interested to see the shot of the Royal Carraige as it must have been the one I saw when I was trackside circa 1952. Princess Elizabeth, or she might have been queen, visited North Wales during a countrywide tour. The train passed me  on the Down Slow and I ran back to the caravan to tell my parents I had seen the royal train. "How do you know it was royal" asked my dad......"Well it had golden lions heads on the bufferbeams" I replied. That afternoon we went into Abergele town to see her in her car.

[DaveF]

Another batch this evening, mainly from the Cambridge (ish) area plus one from Kettering.

 

Barnwell Junction K3 up goods 1948 JVol1269

 

Cambridge south B1 and B17 c1948 JVol1266

 

Cambridge station north bays c1948 JVol1271

 

Chesterton Junction WD O7 up goods c1948 JVol1283

 

Shelford B2 61617 Ford Castle Liverpool St to Cambridge c1949 JVol1278

 

Trumpington tanks on train c1948 JVol1268

 

Whitemoor yard up side hump control panel c1948 JVol1270

 

Whitemoor Yard control tower and up hump, diesel shunter in distance c1948 JVol1280

 

Kettering Jubilee up ex pass c1948 JVol1273

 

Edited to correct a class - 61617 is of course a B2

 

David

Edited March 29, 2013 by DaveF

[Fat Controller]

Useful shot of those Sherman tanks, showing how they were secured in transit- bit surprised to see them still about then,though, as I thought the Cromwell, and then the Centurion had superseded them long before.

[DavidLong]

Something of a mixed bag again this afternoon, Cambridge, Sandy, Peascliffe and around Nottingham.

 

Nottingham Victoria B1 Nottingham to Sheffield c1950 JVol1127.jpg

Nottingham Victoria B1 Nottingham to Sheffield c1950 JVol1127

 

What a brilliantly 'moody' shot of the Vic, a station that I wish I had visited when it was still open. My school railway society had a visit to the Nottingham area circa 1965 and we visited the Midland station but, for some reason lost in the mists of time, not Victoria.

Nice to see the Vic's underslung brackets featuring in shot as well.

Many thanks for posting these photos, Dave, they are giving me and a lot of other people much pleasure.

 

David

Edited March 29, 2013 by DavidLong

[melmerby]

Nice to see the Vics underslung brackets featuring in shot as well.

 

 

David

Three different bracket signals in shot - all different!

 

Keith

[andyrush]

JVol1283.jpg is at Chesterton Junction, with the LNER signal box of 1931 partially visible on the right.

 

Excellent shots of the every day railway.

 

Andy

[DaveF]

JVol1283.jpg is at Chesterton Junction, with the LNER signal box of 1931 partially visible on the right.

 

Excellent shots of the every day railway.

 

Andy

 

Thanks Andy.  I did wonder about it when I saw Dad's notes.  I've altered the caption.

 

David

[DavidLong]

Btw, never before seen as many photos of the Ivatt 2MTs and 4MTs in LMS livery.

 

David

[DaveF]

This afternoon's photos are a mix of Great Central, Liverpool and one at Kings Cross.  Just for a change there are no freight trains and some photos are taken from a train.

 

Nottingham Victoria south end 1951 JVol1345

 

Nottingham Victoria south end from train 1951 JVol1293

 

South of Weekday cross from train 1951 JVol1294

 

Arkwright Street station from train 1951 JVol1295

 

Liverpool St B1 1286 1948 JVol1292

 

Liverpool Street B1 1285 1948 JVol1299

 

Liverpool Street B1 E1057 c1948 JVol1300

There are not a lot of photos of this loco, 61057, as it was scrapped in 1950 following a collision in fog while hauling (I think) a Peterborough to Liverpool St parcels train.  In this photo it appears to be numbered E1057.  It is known a number of locos around this number carried the E prefix for a short time.

 

Kings X shed L1 and V2 c1948 JVol1317

 

Once again there should be some more this evening.

 

David

Edited April 3, 2013 by DaveF

[coachmann]

When I saw British Railways on locos circa 1949 I was a new boy at the trackside and considered it all rather exciting stuff. An older boy, or maybe he was a young man, frowned on my enthusiasm and so I reverted to sticking up for the LMS!

 

But this experience makes me see how younger people view changes on the railway. I might cringe sometimes, just as that chap did in 1949, but if a new livery turns you on, go for it!

[great central]

A few more, mainly on LNER lines, this afternoon.  Once again some are better quality than others!

 

 

 

Bulwell Forest GNR LNER J39 down empties for Bestwod Colliery 1947 JVol1183.jpg

Bulwell Forest (GNR) LNER J39 down empties for Bestwood Colliery 1947 JVol1183

 

 

 

David

 

As an interesting counterpoint to the above photo here's one taken on my phone this afternoon.

The signal post shown is still in situ even though no trains have passed this way in over 50 years!

It's normally quite well hidden in the trees now and the trackbed is a rather pleasant leafy walk, despite the main road from Nottingham to Hucknall being just over my shoulder.

It would have been the distant for Bulwell Forest I believe.

 

Also can I just mention that in the last picture of the most recent ones you have listed the locos as V2 and K2. The one nearest the camera is an L1 unless I'm very much mistaken. 

Some marvellous photos, more please!

[DaveF]

Some for this evening with a mix of locations.

 

Brighton Volks electric railway at Childrens playground station c1950 JVol1361

 

Grantham J6 pass Grantham to Nottingham, D3 62000 le and A3 Sept 1950 JVol1366

 

Grantham D3 62000 pass Grantham to Lincoln Sept 50 JVol1367

 

Huntingdon Ouse Bridge A1 60116 not named up Tyne Tess Pullman c1949 JVol1305

 

Kings X locoshed L1 67774 c1951 JVol1318

possibly 67774 unless anyone knows different!  I've changed the likely date as well following further reading of Dad's notes.

 

Hauxton Crossing B1 up goods c1948 JVol1302

 

Hauxton Crossing B2 61671 Royal Sovereign up Cambridge Buffet Express c1948 JVol1301

 

Rugby LMS Class 5 44831 down pass 1950 JVol1373

 

David

Edited March 29, 2013 by DaveF

[great central]

Hi Dave, sorry I've got pedant mode on again

The L1 you have as 67714 can't be as it's a 'split' footplate one. 67714 would have had a curved section between the two footplate levels in front of the smokebox. Given that it's fairly clear the last digit is a 4 it must be at least 67734, I reckon it could be 67774 but without the relevent Yeadon I can't say if that one was allocated to the London area. Perhaps somebody else could clarify? 

[DaveF]

Hi Dave, sorry I've got pedant mode on again

The L1 you have as 67714 can't be as it's a 'split' footplate one. 67714 would have had a curved section between the two footplate levels in front of the smokebox. Given that it's fairly clear the last digit is a 4 it must be at least 67734, I reckon it could be 67774 but without the relevent Yeadon I can't say if that one was allocated to the London area. Perhaps somebody else could clarify? 

 

Thanks once again, I've already changed the number once as Dad's notes have several versions!  67774 seems to have been 34E in 1950.  But if it isn't 24 then judging by the number shape it must be 67774, so I'll put that for now.

 

David

[DaveF]

Sorry, only one new set for today as I've had to do some "other things". 

 

Today we visit the Cambridge area again, also the Nottingham and Loughborough areas with a quick trip to York.

 

These images do not seem to be fully described in Dad's notes, I think the locations are correct, I'm actually more certain about the dates.

 

As always further information is welcome.

 

I now need to scan some more prints before tomorrow!

 

Cambridge B17 1633 Kimbolton Castle 1948 JVol1383

 

Cambridge B1 1056 1948 JVol1381

 

Near Cambridge D16 2548 goods 1947 JVol1384

 

Nottingham Arkwright Street B1 1108 up pass 1947 JVol1401

 

Nottingham Arkwright Street O4/7 3794 up goods 1947 JVol1402

 

Nottingham Victoria O4 down goods c1949 JVol1387

 

Loughborough Central ex GCR B4 down pass 1947 JVol1391

 

Nottingham Mansfield Junction 3F down goods and Tilbury tank up goods c1951 JVol1374

 

Kegworth area LMS 8F 8178 goods 1947 JVol1399

 

WD goods location not known c1948 JVol1397.

 

York A3  81Shotover 1947 JVol1390

I know this image has been seen before but this seems to be a slightly sharper print.

 

Edited as I typed up for down!

 

David

Edited March 31, 2013 by DaveF