sulzer27jd Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Guess the line via Aberdeen (if passable!) is going to be a bit busier for a while. 4H47 and 4N47 to be routed via Aberdeen. That line had services suspended due to snow but if it's open the Stobart train will run that way. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 More pics on last nights news broadcasts. I initially thought that the points hadn't shut right and the loco caught air. Impressed by the crash resistance and Canadian engineering. Craig, I'm sure you have found our local roads a delight especially the twisty road to Carrbridge. I think I MAY have passed your van if it was the "Rail Accident Incident Command Post". There are a number of potential situations that could have occured: the houses where the containers came to rest, the bridge over Staion Road could have been damaged or containers could have fallen onto the road below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Craig Watson Posted January 6, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2010 More pics on last nights news broadcasts. I initially thought that the points hadn't shut right and the loco caught air. Impressed by the crash resistance and Canadian engineering. Craig, I'm sure you have found our local roads a delight especially the twisty road to Carrbridge. I think I MAY have passed your van if it was the "Rail Accident Incident Command Post". There are a number of potential situations that could have occured: the houses where the containers came to rest, the bridge over Staion Road could have been damaged or containers could have fallen onto the road below. Yes, that was me, the road from Aviemore and Station Road in particular was a joy, was also passed by a guy on a snowmobile on the A9! The line between Aberdeen and Inverness is now open, one of the cranes is currently at Inverness having travelled via Aberdeen last night, the other is scheduled to be en route from Mossend to Carrbridge direct at the moment. The Stobart service (4H47 & 4N47) is running to Inverness via Aberdeen today. Cheers Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Given it was day 1 of them being on the flow, words like "fixed" and "dedicated" are probably a bit quick off the mark. In any event, they're not specially-designed stock, but either IKA Megafrets or their EWS-built equivalents, for which there should be replacements around the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 The crane is in place and has remopved some containers. Not sure what powered it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff mcghie Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 theres a new photo on the BBC webpage for the story (route to reopen next week is the headline) with a 66 in the platform so presumably thats what powered at least one of the crane. I understand they're approaching for opposite ends for obvious reasons. Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 That STV News report's an unusually sober account of a rail incident. The reporter even got his head around the word "locomotive", rather than "engine". Good for him. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 A great shame, Glad the drivers are OK thats the main thing.Regardless of the cause it's bound to be a bit embarassing - hope the contract goes a bit smoother from now on ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer27jd Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 I can't confirm that it stayed on all the way but 66139 p The crane is in place and has remopved some containers. Not sure what powered it down. I can't confirm that it stayed on all the way but 66139 took the crane north. set was - ADB975613, ADB975574, ADB975611 and crane ADRC96710 J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 9, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2010 That STV News report's an unusually sober account of a rail incident. The reporter even got his head around the word "locomotive", rather than "engine". Good for him. Jim But I thought it was "James The Engine"!!! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samkiller42 Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 What a mess they have made. Like others have said, recovery will take some time, and i should imagine the repair bill will be quiet large too. Sam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 14, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2010 The RAIB has now published an initial comment on their website confirming that the loco ran off on the runaway point. They have not commented at this stage on the reason why speed was not reduced or why the train failed to stop at the Home Signal. They have said that other weather related failures to stop will be included in their investigation. This latter presumably includes the other, earlier, freight train incident in Scotland. I don't know if will also include the minor incident at Exeter as although little or no damage occurred in that one I understand that RAIB were not immediately advised of the incident and that one of the trains involved had been sent away from Exeter before they were (advised?) arrived on site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60B Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 The loco and some containers are still on site. The loco went quite a distnace thus needing a larger crane to lift it *groan*. Surely using some the dis-used rails in the yards to drag it closer to the line would work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 18, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2010 The loco and some containers are still on site. The loco went quite a distnace thus needing a larger crane to lift it *groan*. Surely using some the dis-used rails in the yards to drag it closer to the line would work? That used to be the method often used in such circumstances. It's a regrettable fact of railway history that trains have on occasion descended embankments and have had to be recovered, including the loco. As this was in the past done without the use of a huge road crane (because such things didn't exist of course ) it seems odd that there seems to be little use made of other methods nowadays. Perhaps those giant cranes offer more 'play' value or is it because they are quicker and easier to use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 That used to be the method often used in such circumstances. It's a regrettable fact of railway history that trains have on occasion descended embankments and have had to be recovered, including the loco. As this was in the past done without the use of a huge road crane (because such things didn't exist of course ) it seems odd that there seems to be little use made of other methods nowadays. Perhaps those giant cranes offer more 'play' value or is it because they are quicker and easier to use? Perhaps it is now the case that engineering expertise has declined within the railway industry to the extent that the recovery of kit has to be resourced outside ? There are lot of ponderables involving the recovery of 66048. Are the liquids all still contained ? Is the power unit damaged from the cold ? How damaged are the wheelsets ? Logic would suggest lifting the body "lid" off the 66, but only if the power unit has to be removed to lift the loco. Remember the EMD710 power unit is not quite so heavy as a big Sulzer or EE lump, so perhaps it stays. Wonder how long 66048 is out of a main exam. Was it picked for low hours, or just because it was the next one in for an exam ? Whatever, it is real bad luck for DBS to have this happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted January 18, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2010 Hello, Apolgies if this question is a little basic; I am not an engineer. But.... Given the original locos were craned off a boat in one piece, isn't a crane the most straightforward solution in this case? cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Craig Watson Posted January 18, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2010 Hello, Apolgies if this question is a little basic; I am not an engineer. But.... Given the original locos were craned off a boat in one piece, isn't a crane the most straightforward solution in this case? cheers Ben A. Given that the loco is down the banking in the middle of trees its not as straightforward as getting them off a boat with a dockside crane designed for the purpose! To get a road crane to remove the loco in one piece will require quite a few trees to be cut down and a suitable surface laid, the crane will need to be as close to the loco as possible due to the weight, having driven up the access road to the station shortly after the accident it will be a nightmare getting the loco out on a low loader if it indeed can be done. Various sites have reported that the dismantling of the loco on site is an option they're looking at, what I've heard at work is that the loco is being left in situ until the weather clears up (possibly as late as April) but nothing had been decided regarding recovery yet. The work is ongoing to replace the signalling cabinets that were demolished too, once done this will allow the loop to be brought back into use and the current pilotman working arrangments to be cancelled. Cheers Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 How long before REX announce a ltd edition model of 66048 ? Could add it to my DBS 37s in the so called 'doomed fleet' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60maniac Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 How long before REX announce a ltd edition model of 66048 ? Could add it to my DBS 37s in the so called 'doomed fleet' I would add 67018 to their list of 'doomed' locos as that has failed as well would like to see that in model would look strangely nice ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I'm sure they'll fix '018 quick, I don't suppose well see '048 running anytime soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60maniac Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I'm sure they'll fix '018 quick, I don't suppose well see '048 running anytime soon Ooo.... you never know DBS have a tendency to "like" 66s so could see a good turn around time IF it comes back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 That used to be the method often used in such circumstances. It's a regrettable fact of railway history that trains have on occasion descended embankments and have had to be recovered, including the loco. As this was in the past done without the use of a huge road crane (because such things didn't exist of course ) it seems odd that there seems to be little use made of other methods nowadays. Perhaps those giant cranes offer more 'play' value or is it because they are quicker and easier to use? Aged 8 or 9 I remember being taken to see a class 86 down the bank near Watford circa 1974 (it collided with a train that derailed foul after hitting items on the track). There was an article in Modern Railways about this having to be recovered by road, so it's not a new situation. Rail accidents are so rare that the specialist equipment and skills formerly used in recovery are now likely to be rare or non-existent. At the same time the road cranes have become available moreorless on demand so why not use them? If nothing else the line can be kept open if it is not needed for the recovery operation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The RAIB has now published an initial comment on their website confirming that the loco ran off on the runaway point. They have not commented at this stage on the reason why speed was not reduced or why the train failed to stop at the Home Signal. They have said that other weather related failures to stop will be included in their investigation. This latter presumably includes the other, earlier, freight train incident in Scotland. I don't know if will also include the minor incident at Exeter as although little or no damage occurred in that one I understand that RAIB were not immediately advised of the incident and that one of the trains involved had been sent away from Exeter before they were (advised?) arrived on site. The current story doing the rounds is that the train brake failed (presumably due to the extreme conditions). A source from another operator tells me that their practice in such conditions is to have regular running brake tests during the journey to negate the possibility of a failure like this. Although obviously unsubstantiated, it has been suggested by insiders that running brake tests may not have been carried out in this case. Dave. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Aged 8 or 9 I remember being taken to see a class 86 down the bank near Watford circa 1974 (it collided with a train that derailed foul after hitting items on the track). There was an article in Modern Railways about this having to be recovered by road, so it's not a new situation. Rail accidents are so rare that the specialist equipment and skills formerly used in recovery are now likely to be rare or non-existent. At the same time the road cranes have become available moreorless on demand so why not use them? If nothing else the line can be kept open if it is not needed for the recovery operation. I remember that one outside Watford- I recollect they had to build special road access for the crane (and for the second crane used to erect the big one) The advantage of using a road crane is that the line can be available for traffic much sooner than if other means were employed- when a '68er' went down the side of an embankment in one of the Valleys, at least three locos were required to return it to the mainline. A pair hauled it, whilst the third sat on the line above and parallel to the derailed loco, with cables to keep the derailed loco upright attached to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 20, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2010 The current story doing the rounds is that the train brake failed (presumably due to the extreme conditions). A source from another operator tells me that their practice in such conditions is to have regular running brake tests during the journey to negate the possibility of a failure like this. Although obviously unsubstantiated, it has been suggested by insiders that running brake tests may not have been carried out in this case. I think you may find that the running brake was indeed checked and at the last one before the derailment was found to be defective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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