Unidentified GER locations 1910 - 1940 can you help

[trisonic]

Without any kind of proof could the smaller "Jacobean" style station buildings actually be in Lincolnshire? There are precedents for that design style there....

 

Similarly the photo with the "Ace's Cycles and Motorworks"; the buttress stonework on the bridge/tunnel doesn't look East Anglian to me - I'm not sure if it is NBR either! I know absolutely nothing about them (sometimes I wonder if I know anything about the GER either... I really ought to join the Society).

 

 

Btw the way when I searched for Ace's I found reference to a Country Life magazine at the turn of the last century and a link to the magazine copy - but trying to read it gave me a headache. Unfortunately I did not save the addy as my daughter jumped on my Mac before I could stop her.

 

Best, Pete.

[bike2steam]

Duncan, any that you get really stuck on, let me know, a good friend of mine by the name of Richard Yeo is a GE man thro'n thro'. He may be able to help, but he is one that spends all his spare time modelling , and not 'stuck on a bloody computer' - his words.

[Blandford1969]

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions and good to see you back Paul. The ACEs cyles is in Tenby in Wales and someone posted a link to an auction of photos about them and in the photo there was the outside of the building facing onto the railway, what a result.

 

I am currently having difficulty not being able to rotate photos in this new version of flickr. Paul when we get to the point of no more suggestions on the outstanding ones, I will take you up on the offer.

 

I will also post some more in the next few days

 

Kind regards

Duncan

[Shadow]

Looking at Old-Maps online, it appears that the sheds in the picture are present on the 1916 map,

but not the 1896, so it must be sometime after 1896!

 

The style of carriages may help someone date it better.

 

Stratford Carriage Works

[EddieB]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8754467178/in/photostream/

 

This when is stated as possibly Sedgeford.

 

I think it's Stanhoe. There's a similar shot in East Anglia Past and Present (Page 98).

 

Dave

 

Confirmed as Stanhoe.  Great Eastern Journal no. 109 has two photographs, one providing a match from a similar viewpoint.  (Possibly the same photo as above - this one is credited to Real Photographs/NRM).

[Ravenser]

Without any kind of proof could the smaller "Jacobean" style station buildings actually be in Lincolnshire? There are precedents for that design style there....

 

Similarly the photo with the "Ace's Cycles and Motorworks"; the buttress stonework on the bridge/tunnel doesn't look East Anglian to me - I'm not sure if it is NBR either! I know absolutely nothing about them (sometimes I wonder if I know anything about the GER either... I really ought to join the Society).

 

 

Btw the way when I searched for Ace's I found reference to a Country Life magazine at the turn of the last century and a link to the magazine copy - but trying to read it gave me a headache. Unfortunately I did not save the addy as my daughter jumped on my Mac before I could stop her.

 

Best, Pete.

 

 

Definitely not Lincolnshire. I think you may be thinking of the small MSLR stations betwwen Grimsby and Lincoln , but they look rather different - square , smaller plainer and much less "architectural" than these photos  

[EddieB]

From a later photograph in GE Journal 84, this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8753342631/ can be confirmed as Spooner Row.

[Shadow]

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions and good to see you back Paul. The ACEs cyles is in Tenby in Wales and someone posted a link to an auction of photos about them and in the photo there was the outside of the building facing onto the railway, what a result.

 

I am currently having difficulty not being able to rotate photos in this new version of flickr. Paul when we get to the point of no more suggestions on the outstanding ones, I will take you up on the offer.

 

I will also post some more in the next few days

 

Kind regards

Duncan

 

You may want to change the title.

 

It's actually looking North. (Railway goes exactly N/S here!)

 

The road under the bridge is Park Road, and Ace's Cycle and Motor Works is now flats.

 

In those photo's from the Auction house, there is one showing the front of the shop. It's still there, called Ace Court.

 

Streetview :- Ace Court

[Shadow]

This one:-

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8749297747/in/photostream/

 

 

Hardly looks like the GER - I would say it was on the NBR.  Unfortunately, I don't know much about that railway either!  Though, from the look of the background I might start looking around Paisley???

 

Cheers,

 

Howard

 

Looks like Paisley, Using google maps, look at :- Paisley

 

I think that the bridge that is south of where the B790, Houston Road, passes under the M8 and railway is the one

in the photo.

 

If you look at the map,

 

1. It's a straight line, (very straight!!)

2. The river is about the right size, and at the the correct angle.

3. There is a hedge line to the right of the railway in the nearest field, which also appears on google map.

4. No hedge to left of track, on either photo or map

5. There's a wood to the right of track in mid distance, on both photo and map.

6. And the site of all the industry (Chimneys, etc) appears to tie up with a bit of waste ground on the map.

 

Not 100% conclusive, but looks close.

 

Can't find any photo's of the period to confirm though!

 

Dave

[Shadow]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750422008/

 

"Between Wisbech and Magdalen Road"

 

Think that this one is reversed.

 

Does look like the western most bridge in a pair that cross the Great River Ouse and the Relief Channel.

 

Taken from the eastern end of the now missing bridge, looking west.

The track of the line used to curve to the left, (this is why I think it's backwards).

Also, if you look under the first span you can just see the top of a house. (A bit like Andy Y's in BCB!!)

This house is still there, but is to the north. This would be correct if reversed.

House can be seen on Stow Road in streetview.

 

google map :- Bridge on Google Map

Streetview :- Stow Road Streetview

 

Dave

[Blandford1969]

Many thanks for the additional information, I have made some ammendments and reversals. Those now remaining unsolved are becoming fewer in this batch, those being

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8753343189/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8749297995/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8749298435/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750381498/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750381598/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750381704/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750377694/in/photostream and

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8749243853/in/photostream

 

I will sort out some more in a couple of days and thanks again for all your help on this

 

kind regards

 

Duncan

[Shadow]

Duncan

Think that the Chelmsford photo had been reversed by mistake. The south bound line curves to the left!

 

Also, the Stratford one is still reversed. The engine shed should be on the right.

 

Dave. (Looking forward to the next batch!)

[Orinoco]

The coaches in http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750377694/ do look a bit LB&SC - though the dual livery wasn't introduced until 1903. Maybe somewhere on the approaches to London Bridge or Victoria?

[PhilJ W]

The coaches in http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750377694/ do look a bit LB&SC - though the dual livery wasn't introduced until 1903. Maybe somewhere on the approaches to London Bridge or Victoria?

They appear to be a lighter colour above the waist, perhaps a clue?

[Orinoco]

They appear to be a lighter colour above the waist, perhaps a clue?

OK - a really crazy idea - http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750381498/ - could it be New Cross?

 

The carriages look similar to those in http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750377694/ suggesting this might also be LBSC. The GE had an interest in this station via the East London Railway and the Thames Tunnel. Looking at the 1895 map, the down platform sticks north a long way beyond the up platforms and has a track formation exactly like the one in the photo on its east side. If I am right (very unlikely) then we are looking south from just north of the station. 

 

I have no photos to prove it - and the layout does seem to have changed a fair bit on later maps, but the 1895 map does at least suggest it as a possibility. I know even less about the LBSC than the GE, so maybe someone who knows what they are talking about could give an opinion.

 

If so, then http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750377694/ might also be somewhere in the vicinity.

 

EDIT

 

Could be.........

 

Looking on the 1895 map again, we could easily be just north of the signal cabin, looking south. There is a buffer stop in the right place and the crossover is clearly on the map too. The signal in the middle distance would be the one shown on tha map at the up end of the down platform - more or less where the other photo was taken.

[Blandford1969]

That is an interesting idea, I can'f find any photos of the period of New Cross, so have updated the caption. Hopefully others will be able to find some photographic evidence in the period we are looking at.

 

Thanks for the suggestion, I will check the maps later

 

regards

 

Duncan

[Orinoco]

The reason I thought of New Cross is its the only place (apart from New Cross Gate) that has any connection with the GER on the LBSC. There seem to have been major changes around 1900-1920, so maybe photos were taken to show the "before" so all interested parties could compare with the new plans. Otherwise, both photos are pretty dull and uninteresting - quite unlike anything else in the collection so far. They both have the same problem of shooting south into the sun, plus the white speckles, suggesting they are closely linked.

[Shadow]

In the possible New Cross photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750377694/)

 

What is the object in-between the centre of track. It appears to have arm / bar going to one of the tracks?

 

Not sure what it may be. 

 

The first item is a pulley, but what is the second?

 

Dave

[Orinoco]

A bit of further research shows that New Cross was renamed New Cross Gate in 1923 - I therefore mean the station that is now New Cross Gate

 

EDIT

 

In that case there may be one or two useful photos on the web - like this one showing a canopy with pillars similar to that in the photo - and on the correct platform too.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rw3-497alh/8370069701/

 

 

Enhancing the original image http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750381498/  shows 2 platforms in the distance behind the lamp with maybe a bay platform in the middle - again that shows on the maps.

[Shadow]

Looking at those coaches, they look to be closely coupled. Are they an articulated set?

Two sets possible, if there is one guards ducket at the end of each set. There being a pair in the centre.

 

Just throwing another option onto the pile! 

 

Dave

 

 

edit :-

 

Just came across this postcard image :-

 

Southend Train near Brentwood     Similar looking coaches!!

[Orinoco]

In the possible New Cross photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8750377694/)

 

What is the object in-between the centre of track. It appears to have arm / bar going to one of the tracks?

 

Not sure what it may be. 

 

The first item is a pulley, but what is the second?

 

Dave

 

My guess is that the device is for placing detonators on the track

 

Looking at those coaches, they look to be closely coupled. Are they an articulated set?

Two sets possible, if there is one guards ducket at the end of each set. There being a pair in the centre.

 

Just throwing another option onto the pile! 

 

Dave

 

 

edit :-

 

Just came across this postcard image :-

 

Southend Train near Brentwood     Similar looking coaches!!

 

The coaches are 4-wheel close-coupled sets. I think the two tone livery and the shape of the guards lookouts rules out GER stock, but Stroudley LBSC stock does look very similar - see http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/coach949.html and http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/stroudley/992/index.html and did gain 2-tone livery after 1903. The LBSC sets don't appear to have stepboards at axle level, which also fits the photos.

 

See also here http://basilicafields.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/lbscr-carriages/

[Shadow]

Appears to be about six tracks wide (at least), how wide was it at New Cross.

 

Just around the corner at Bermondsey Spa is about that?

 

The second photo showing the platform, is at least 4 to the right left, one the other side of the platform, and more behind that going by the signals in the distance.

 

Dave

 

Edit to get my hands on the right way around!! 

[Orinoco]

New Cross (later Gate) was mega - it was the junction for the East London line and also had loads of sidings, a loco shed, loco works, a separate East London line station next to it and some extensive coal sidings at one time or another.

 

Why not look it up on old-maps.co.uk?

[Shadow]

Went and had a look on old-maps and totally agree that it ties up with New Cross.

Good find that one.

[Orinoco]

Thanks Shadow

 

I found a site describing the new Westinghouse signal box built in 1951 - http://www.wbsframe.mste.co.uk/public/New_Cross_Gate.html - it looks like the old box in the "unknown" photo should still have been there until that time, having been built in 1876. In fact, it looks as if the track layout didn't change much until that time either. I can't find a photo showing the old box anywhere on the web though.