Ian Fisher Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 A new motor and wheels will be part of this project. I dont like struggling locos either. Especially as this is a freightliner loco it could in future have some big loads! 14mm black beetle wheelsets will come out of warm store, the wheelshop have been briefed! Ian oh i think actually detailing the model wouldn't be too bad, but i don't think i'd be able to paint it to any reasonable standard. but my biggest issue would be haulage capacity i think - i'd want it to pull a full rake of Mk3s or Mk4s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Never knew the real 90's had a switch on the roof! So it was out with the pliers and it was gone.. A strip of plasticard was superglued in the gap and a little filler added and still to be smoothed. You know im enjoying this.. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Never knew the real 90's had a switch on the roof! So it was out with the pliers and it was gone.. A strip of plasticard was superglued in the gap and a little filler added and still to be smoothed. You know im enjoying this.. 1369844106616.jpg Ian I believe the switch was used so that model could be used in two modes i.e. collecting power from the OHE (which Hornby used to have) or from the tracks. According to Hornby you could double-head a train with one loco using the power from the tracks and the other using the OHE. It's funny that even though now none of the Hornby electrics have the capability to use the OHE the switch is still in place. All modellers like you use plasticard and filler.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Their 86 had same arrangement, considering. I would wonder how many people actually ever powered their sparky like that. Not sure about the 91 the 92 didnt. I believe the switch was used so that model could be used in two modes i.e. collecting power from the OHE (which Hornby used to have) or from the tracks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Their 86 had same arrangement, considering. I would wonder how many people actually ever powered their sparky like that. Not sure about the 91 the 92 didnt. From images that I saw of what OHE Hornby used to offer, I can say that like the pantographs they were certainly far from correct. So I am sure few used it. The Class 92 has always had a better and more realistic pantograph. I find it a good representation apart from it's height and its curved upper arm. The Class 87s made by Hornby have a better pantograph. However Ian if you will allow me to make a suggestion then try and get hold of a cheap ''Pendolino coach'' which has the pantograph on it - it's the most highly detail Breknell-Willis version I've seen till date. It will compliment the kit beautifully. Regarding the Class 91. Yes, it did have that fascility as many pictures show the roof with that switch. The APT also had a working pantograph like the Class 86, 90 and 91. Image of the Pendolino Pantograph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 The Hornby wires, werent tooled AFAIK for the 86, it was a reissue from years back. Very much from a trainset brief. It was only offered in very short bursts, which has been the crux even really to this day of there being no RTR comolete range of OHLE (Yet!) As regards the pantograpgh, its a case of watch this and or other places too for developments, very tight lipped yet! Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 i just wish that Hurst models would re-release their pantographs. i need at least 4 of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 i just wish that Hurst models would re-release their pantographs. i need at least 4 of them The hurst pantographs haven't been in stock for over a year. Maybe even two.... Very frustrating for someone who really needs just one. The Hornby wires, werent tooled AFAIK for the 86, it was a reissue from years back. Very much from a trainset brief. It was only offered in very short bursts, which has been the crux even really to this day of there being no RTR comolete range of OHLE (Yet!) As regards the pantograpgh, its a case of watch this and or other places too for developments, very tight lipped yet! Ian I heard that Dapol were making wires for their OHE system but their catenary system look flimsy from images and there doesn't seem to be any place to hook on the wires. If I were to opt for catenary they I'll go for the ''Hornby International'' ones http://www.hornbyinternational.com/en/catenary/2504-catenary-mast-10-units.html . Though not accurate many say it resembles the ones used on the HS1 route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Lets us all not forget, the people who supply us our plethora of virtually individually produced parts, whilst there have been many advances in production processes, cottage industry and its unique approach remain key to our love and desire to produce that ever elusive finescale improved and or created model. Our many innovators, start not from the perspective of seeing pound signs but a genuine and real need to see their product used by fellow improvists. If a few £££ come their way whilst providing us with our latest must have, good on them. I think some lose focus or just are not aware of the processes involved, then becomes sacrosanct. Lost wax casting is a skill, done to a high standard that isnt common place. Hurst im sure would love to fulfill our instant need and gratification, if that was physically and practically possible to provide for pantographs. Pantographs as with OHLE is a niche (but one that needn't be elitist) and diverse market. I am grateful for the few manufacturers who wish to supply us any quality and exact parts I am more than happy in the not too distant future, I am likely to receive what would look to be a stunning product...watch this space Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I am more than happy in the not too distant future, I am likely to receive what would look to be a stunning product...watch this space Hmm.... watching and waiting with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Their 86 had same arrangement, considering. I would wonder how many people actually ever powered their sparky like that. Not sure about the 91 the 92 didnt. I did! As a kid I had 86246 and it used to run on a circle of Trix Twin overhead catenary on my dads layout. It did bring the wires down a few times though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Bit more carving... Its a waxy plastic and whilst not impossible to make changes to, it just takes a little more care. My take on making the area more 3d. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hope to add a few more elements of detail to these pair and get them back onto the underframe. Main job will be the brackets, not represented by Hornby in their flattened but well detailed version. Should be a simple job, few very small bits of Evergreen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share Posted June 4, 2013 Bit of fettling to test fit the light horn unit Rather cruel close up but happy with how its going...now to the other end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash39 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Looking forward to seeing the light fitting completed, this makes the biggest difference IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 Just had a quick dry test fit of a side cab window etch. Very good fit and a vast improvement over the moulded prismatic factory fit glazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 What will you be using for the headlights? Clear plastic or something easier to fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 7, 2013 Author Share Posted June 7, 2013 I will look to use some OHP sheet, something nice and thin. Something easy to cut, keep life simple. Main glazing cab windows will be something a little more self supporting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 A little experiment.... It was out with .55mm drill to see if removing the filled detail would improve anything...what do people think? Also gone is a rectangle of plastic which on the prototype is a pot under the pantograph. This session was rudely interrupted by the bit going ping. Need to source more .55 bits! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Ian that surely is a cheaper way than buying etched grills or mesh and cutting etc. Nice thinking!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hobbycraft multi pack .4mm come to the rescue! In stores for ages. Worth the bother? Left hand drilled out right hand just a few drilled but as moulded by Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Definitely worth the work. A huge improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Well.... 268 holes later..........job done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I think that looks just great..!! Surely a way to shave off a few pounds from the bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash39 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Under a bit of weathering that will look spot on - really good stuff. Go on then, how long did it take?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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