jcredfer Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I agree ... the detail on such tiny models was the biggest surprise that really took me back, when I went to Dover last year. You're right with the term "mind blowing" - absolutely spot on. There's a new thread 'Railway Modelling as Art'. These three photos ought definitely to be posted on that thread. The illusion is mind blowing once the whole Liliput DP platform 1 is set against the FULL SIZE doorstep. Bravo! Freebs dh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted March 27, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2016 Hi David, It's all coming together really well, don't forget to remind Freebs to keep his cat away from that lovely station building. all the best Adrian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 Dave, in post 5339 5th pic down, what is the multiple unit sitting by the tunnel mouth? This unit, is a Britannia Pacific Model. I bought at Tinkers Park exhibition 2014, from a trader. He was next to our club layout "Hythe", so I borrowed it to run on "Hythe",for an afternoon. It has,now been fitted with Godfrey's double drive unit,he developed for his MLV. This is an on going project, with the bogies, being modified,with MJT parts, from Dart Casting's. http://youtu.be/PvRomvCxgaQ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 Compare ? by ferriesdover, on Flickr P1320138(1) by ferriesdover, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 There's a new thread 'Railway Modelling as Art'. These three photos ought definitely to be posted on that thread. The illusion is mind blowing once the whole Liliput DP platform 1 is set against the FULL SIZE doorstep. Bravo! Freebs dh Are you back at Sunderland Poly,then ? Will take a wander,over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Those station buildings are brilliant David. So much railway atmosphere, without appearing "twee" at all. Just the right "edge" to them so they appear totally convincing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 More super detailing David!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 Those station buildings are brilliant David. So much railway atmosphere, without appearing "twee" at all. Just the right "edge" to them so they appear totally convincing. More super detailing David!!! Thanks for your posting's, I have to remind everyone, the platform 1,model, is not by me. I got RM member, Freebs, to do it, I am just not that good,with my limited skill's. Cast your mind back, he did these for Dover Priory. Signal Box. by ferriesdover, on Flickr GEDC0054 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr Networrk Rail cabin at DP by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr Picture 633 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr Network Rail Mess Room. by David Todd 2012, on Flickr by David Todd 2012, on Flickr Hi David, It's all coming together really well, don't forget to remind Freebs to keep his cat away from that lovely station building. all the best Adrian. Thanks Adrian, Feebs,does'nt take the cat to work 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 Looked at this for two day's, not happy, too steep. by ferriesdover, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted March 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hi David, looking at the picture you have posted and measuring it with my fingers, whilst eating my breakfast at the same time, it seems that the height of the cliff is three tunnel portals high, and your cellotex is four times the height. Perhaps lowering it might take some of the steepness away. Anyway it's back to my breakfast and my grease covered computer screen. All the best Adrian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Hi David, looking at the picture you have posted and measuring it with my fingers, whilst eating my breakfast at the same time, it seems that the height of the cliff is three tunnel portals high, and your cellotex is four times the height. Perhaps lowering it might take some of the steepness away. Anyway it's back to my breakfast and my grease covered computer screen. All the best Adrian. I might try,throwing a stone over,from the cliff path and counting the seconds,when I visit the site later today. Wonder if Network Rails drone,is fitted with an altimeter? Measuring with maps, the cliff path,stands,102 feet,above the tunnel portals, presuming,their data reference is sea level. The crowns of the portals,are 28.feet from the trackbed. Edited March 29, 2016 by David Todd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Used to be height above MHWSL ...... I might try,throwing a stone over,from the cliff path and counting the seconds,when I visit the site later today.Wonder if Network Rails drone,is fitted with an altimeter?Measuring with maps, the cliff path,stands,102 feet,above the tunnel portals, presuming,their data reference is sea level.The crowns of the portals,are 28.feet from the trackbed. Now - simply height above Mean Sea Level. It seems the change may have been made around the time of Metric introduction. .................. so - now all you have to do is get your BIG wellies on and stand in the waves, moving further out each day, until the amount of water above your feet at high tide is equal to the amount of dry beach, when the tide is out .......... ........... taking into account the higher levels of tides, during periods of on-shore wind ..... lower levels of tides during periods of off-shore winds ........... with appropriate sinusoidal proportions added or subtracted, when the wind is at an angle other than perpendicular to the coastline - in either direction, to or from ........ Spring tides will mean you need your wellie extensions ....... ............ making sure, of course, that you account for the slight rises in tides, when the high or low tides coincide with emptying of water into the sea at Dover bath-times ..... ............. all the while keeping an eye out for the wake of transiting ferries, so you can hold your breath as the resultant wave passes over your immaculate coiffure ....... ............ now, once established at the right level, simply look at the beach/wall, level with your eyes and measure up the cliff from there, not forgetting to add the height of your eyes above your feet to the resultant vertical measurements you make ..... ............ I might add that it was so much easier, in the old days, when simply standing on the line of seaweed, left at high tide, was good enough for most things ....................... metrication, ehh? It was meant to make life easier ... Haa!! Hope this has been of assistance to your cliff-top conundrum. .... J PS. Don't forget to take your longest vertical tape measure, or your wellies will have been wet in vain .... PPS. I cannot recommend the throwing of pebbles over the cliff edge. I feel, strongly that the only way you could accurately get to be level enough to see the precise moment the pebble passes the top of the tunnel and subsequently it's arrival at track level - would be to hurl yourself over the cliff and accompany it on it's vertical journey. The resultant damage to the expensive timepiece you would have to take with you would be very expensive and may even result in inaccurate readings, by the time you get out of surgery. Let us also not forget, the known fact that you are a paid up member of the Clumsy Club, hereabouts and that crane down there has glass windows!!! Compelling reasons against the idea I'm sure you will agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 ..................... further to the above ... it occurs to me that if you approached Network Rail for a loan of their Altimeter fitted Drone ..................... .................... I would be willing to trot along to Dover frontage and pilot it whilst you monitored the measurements ............. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 ..................... further to the above ... it occurs to me that if you approached Network Rail for a loan of their Altimeter fitted Drone ..................... .................... I would be willing to trot along to Dover frontage and pilot it whilst you monitored the measurements ............. J Hmm, so you did an hour ago, what was it, A Non Stop Flight ! by ferriesdover, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hmm, so you did an hour ago, what was it, A Non Stop Flight ! by ferriesdover, on Flickr ............... I wish!! J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 I cut an angle at the bottom, of the celotex, this is how it now looks. P1320183 by ferriesdover, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted March 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2016 Hi David, or should I call you Cliff, this might help you. All the best Adrian. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Used to be height above MHWSL ...... Now - simply height above Mean Sea Level. It seems the change may have been made around the time of Metric introduction. .................. so - now all you have to do is get your BIG wellies on and stand in the waves, moving further out each day, until the amount of water above your feet at high tide is equal to the amount of dry beach, when the tide is out .......... ........... taking into account the higher levels of tides, during periods of on-shore wind ..... lower levels of tides during periods of off-shore winds ........... with appropriate sinusoidal proportions added or subtracted, when the wind is at an angle other than perpendicular to the coastline - in either direction, to or from ........ Spring tides will mean you need your wellie extensions ....... ............ making sure, of course, that you account for the slight rises in tides, when the high or low tides coincide with emptying of water into the sea at Dover bath-times ..... ............. all the while keeping an eye out for the wake of transiting ferries, so you can hold your breath as the resultant wave passes over your immaculate coiffure ....... ............ now, once established at the right level, simply look at the beach/wall, level with your eyes and measure up the cliff from there, not forgetting to add the height of your eyes above your feet to the resultant vertical measurements you make ..... ............ I might add that it was so much easier, in the old days, when simply standing on the line of seaweed, left at high tide, was good enough for most things ....................... metrication, ehh? It was meant to make life easier ... Haa!! Hope this has been of assistance to your cliff-top conundrum. .... J PS. Don't forget to take your longest vertical tape measure, or your wellies will have been wet in vain .... PPS. I cannot recommend the throwing of pebbles over the cliff edge. I feel, strongly that the only way you could accurately get to be level enough to see the precise moment the pebble passes the top of the tunnel and subsequently it's arrival at track level - would be to hurl yourself over the cliff and accompany it on it's vertical journey. The resultant damage to the expensive timepiece you would have to take with you would be very expensive and may even result in inaccurate readings, by the time you get out of surgery. Let us also not forget, the known fact that you are a paid up member of the Clumsy Club, hereabouts and that crane down there has glass windows!!! Compelling reasons against the idea I'm sure you will agree. Am not really a one for Napolionic measurements, Give me, a chain, a perch and pole,for me to attach my parrot to. So,in the photo Westerham posted above, that means,before I can calculate the height, I have to wait for the tide to come in, on that photograph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I don't know if ..... Am not really a one for Napolionic measurements,Give me, a chain, a perch and pole,for me to attach my parrot to.So,in the photo Westerham posted above, that means,before I can calculate the height,I have to wait for the tide to come in, on that photograph. smearing greasy Bacon flavoured fingers across a Computer monitor quite counts as ... calculation ............................. although in my case, possibly far more accurate ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Dismissing sea level datum, as it drastically reduces the (scale) cliff's at the , highest point. 102 feet,on the path above the tunnels. So, I am taking modelling licence. I had over sized them, and possibly, cut the foot path, from the inside. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebs Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I'm in tears reading this. Brilliant stuff!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm in tears reading this. Brilliant stuff!! What, have we missed something ? Tears before bedtime ! So, the platform is pretty good, no good crying over it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 There have been other attempts at .................................. P1320183.JPG Dismissing sea level datum, as it drastically reduces the (scale) cliff's at the , highest point. 102 feet,on the path above the tunnels. So, I am taking modelling licence. I had over sized them, and possibly, cut the foot path, from the inside. ...................... but you will need your crown and your throne [The porcelain one not being suffice for the occasion!] ....... You might also take guidance on the advisability of such a move, as there is documentation which indicates that a mere mortal Canute cannot get away with it ..... J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebs Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 What, have we missed something ? Tears before bedtime ! So, the platform is pretty good, no good crying over it though. No, It's Julian and his wellies! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Todd Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 Earlier this morning, I enlisted some help, to measure the cliff's, while they are working on this site, over the coming month's. For more info on this work site, see, RMweb link, below. Folkestone-Dover sea wall wash-out by ferriesdover, on Flickr by ferriesdover, on Flickr by ferriesdover, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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