RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted October 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2013 I like to model unusual wagons, preferably ones that you don't see on every exhibition layout. This wagon has been on the cards for some years and I've finally got around to it. I found a drawing for the wagon in one of my wagon books and there are a lot of photos on Paul Bartlets excellent website. I bought a lot of the photos so I could print them out in large sizes to see the detail then drew up a set of etches. On the first etch I tried to be too clever and also included the bogie side frame parts, but it was just too difficult to assemble so I chickened out and bought some of the Cambrian plastic bogies and cut off the side frames with a razor saw and glued these to the bogies on the fret. The wagon is in 12 thou brass and the trestles are in 10 thou nickel silver. The pics below are from the second test build and I made a few more tweaks to the drawing after making this one. I've just got the latest version back from the etchers, so I'll post a few pics of the build of this one as I go along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 ....just lovely...are any etches available to purchase? I have several to build for use in steel plate traffic on Tor Giffard. Have you seen the pictures of them at Barnstaple? http://www.cyber-heritage.co.uk/north_devon_line_okehampton_web_optimised/index15.html Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted October 30, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hi Dave No I havn't seen the pics of the wagons at Barnstaple, are they viewable on a website somewhere? I'll make the etches or kits available once I've built the latest test etch and finished writing the instructions. I'll update this thread as I do the build, so as the saying goes, 'watch this space' Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ian Click on the link above....they are at the earlier (left hand) end of the pictures. I'll look out for etches or kits on this thread. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted October 30, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2013 Hi Dave Sorry I simply missed the link on your first post, there are a couple of nice pics of the wagons on there, thanks for the info. They certainly look the worse for wear, it will be a bit of a weathering job to get them to look that bad. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ian I paint almost exclusively in weathering shades and textures...see Ex works wagons on BR held little appeal to me. These are two of the now discontinued Bill Bedford covhop kits....time-consuming to build but then I don't expect the forthcoming Bachmann model to match the delicate etched detail. A third resin body was defective...therefore I'm looking to raid the plastic body (dimensions permitting) from a Bachmann one to complete it. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 13, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2013 A bit more progress at last. The third test build goes together a bit easier than the last one. I have done a separate etch for all the floor detail in the well where this was individual parts on the last one so this is easier to put together The well end has a few overlays to fit, but I've put holes in the underside to make them easier to solder in place. The large overlay is soldered through a lot of small holes on the underside. I found when I tried to solder via the large holes on an earlier test that the overlay distorted slightly and you could se the outline of the large holes. I'm working on the bogies at the moment, so I'll try to post some pics of those later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 14, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2013 Here are a few pics of the bogie build and the shackles. The bits for the bolster and the NEM pocket Side frames and bearings fitted. I've also added a strengthener to give double thickness on the frames as I found one layer of 12 thou brass a bit flimsy and prone to bend when I was working on it. Assembled bogie with the Cambrian plastic cosmetic side frames attached The bits for the shackle base showing the various stages of preparation The shackle ring. I've modified the shape for this on the latest etch as I have been told it should be a D shackle not a circular one. A couple of pics of the finished shackle. They look difficult, but they aren't, the trick is don't use too much flux and just a tiny drop of solder so there is just enough to flow down to the pivot wire to hold it in place without soldering the whole lot to the base unit, that way they are still free to rotate and look better when you lash down a load to the wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted December 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2013 A bow shackle can be used anywhere that a D shackle can, but you can't use a D shackle where a bow is required. A D shckle is suitable for a single straight pull only whereas a bow shackle can take two loads on the bow pulling in different directions, ideally the two legs from the bow should not form an angle greater than 90 degrees with each other. Andi (Rock and roll rigger) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 14, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2013 Thanks Andi, that's useful to know. As it happens, once I'd been told they had D shackles I took a closer look at the photos I'd bought from Paul Bartlett and it is correct that the D shackle was used so that's why I modified the etch. I wanted to make a couple of other minor changes anyway so it hasn't cost for the new tool just for the one change to the shackles. Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Wonderful work, nice to know the photos were of use. Was the drawing from BR wagons? David Monk-Steel did the measuring. Regards Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 14, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2013 Hi Paul Yes I did use the David Monk-Steel drawing as the basis of this wagon, combined with your photos. Perhaps you could clear up a question, I was told that the only difference between the E0 and the M0 is the region they were used on, i.e. E0 for eastern and M0 for Midland. Can you confirm that? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGC Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I look forward to the etches coming available - I hope it won't take too long! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Hi Paul Yes I did use the David Monk-Steel drawing as the basis of this wagon, combined with your photos. Perhaps you could clear up a question, I was told that the only difference between the E0 and the M0 is the region they were used on, i.e. E0 for eastern and M0 for Midland. Can you confirm that? Ian Thanks, David should be pleased, he has personal affection for this measuring job. Yes, all BR Special wagons have regional prefixes, and they could get rewritten when a wagon was transferred between regions. A was for Scotland, some of these were AOs. This is mentioned on page 138 of the book. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGC Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I've tried searching for a book - BR wagons, and can't find one. I'm guessing this may not be the complete title, so could someone advise what the proper title is and the author, please. It sounds a fascinating book that I need to buy! Thanks in advance. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2013 Looks a nice etch, when do you expect them to be available to the great unwashed? Would love to have one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I've tried searching for a book - BR wagons, and can't find one. I'm guessing this may not be the complete title, so could someone advise what the proper title is and the author, please. It sounds a fascinating book that I need to buy! Thanks in advance. Phil Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. ISBN 0-86093-203-6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2013 I've tried searching for a book - BR wagons, and can't find one. I'm guessing this may not be the complete title, so could someone advise what the proper title is and the author, please. It sounds a fascinating book that I need to buy! Thanks in advance. Phil http://www.amazon.co.uk/illustrated-history-British-Railways-revenue/dp/0860932036 Be careful though, get yourself a rolled up £20 note and some white powder, it's less addictive. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGC Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. ISBN 0-86093-203-6 http://www.amazon.co.uk/illustrated-history-British-Railways-revenue/dp/0860932036 Be careful though, get yourself a rolled up £20 note and some white powder, it's less addictive. Mike. Thank you both - I'm now going to get myself another Christmas present! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian G Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 that wagon would look nice in 7mm Ian G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 16, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2013 that wagon would look nice in 7mm Ian G After my last experience of converting a 4mm kit to 7mm I don't think I'll bother, it's just too much like hard work. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78965-7mm-scale-anhydrite-hopper-wagon/ Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktoix Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Nice work. Where did the shackle design come from I wonder !! Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 18, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2013 Nice work. Where did the shackle design come from I wonder !! Nick Hi Nick, yes I used your basic idea for the shackle ring, why re-invent the wheel? I have had to alter the shape though and I'm waiting for the new etch to arrive. Just about to start on a set of Trestles so I'll probably post some pics of that later this week. I think this wagon would be a bit out of period for you, but I've got both your wagons running on my layout. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 19, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2013 Managed to get the makers plates fitted and the vacuum pipes. Just started on the trestles so I'll post some pics of those later. A piece of 0.9 wire is just about the correct diameter I decided to add some pipe clips so I made them out of a bit of scrap fret with a pair of round nosed pliers The pipe clips were soldered to the edge of the solebar top frame which holds the wire in place nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium macgeordie Posted December 21, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2013 The trestles are now complete apart from the wooden facings on the front frames where the steel load goes. I'll paint them with primer before fitting those. This is the etch with the rivets raised. There are rather a lot so my GW Models riveting tool has been working overtime The angle frames have to be folded then soldered to the side frame etch. The overlay at the bottom edge is a bit fiddly to fit but improves the appearance. The three trestles ready for painting. I think the festive season is going to curtail any more work on this, SWMBO says I don't want to do any modelling till after Christmas !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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