trisonic Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Look, I really, really know what it is going to be - and I’m personally certain that pre-orders will total over a 1,000 units. It’s a Class 306 (AM6) EMU. I have all the “insider” information, guaranteed (I hear it now inside my head). Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I am wearing my aluminium foil helmet................................ Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I knew it would be a class 84....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I reckon there will be a lot of 'accident' scenes on layouts with a Rapido loco on its side where the underframe just happens to be facing the punters so they can see all the intricate detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hippo Posted April 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2014 I was interested to read this online http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/southdurham/bishopauckland/11169792.Rail_museum_in_Shildon_offers_visitors_chance_to_see_3D_model_scan/ In the article it says Rapido are teaming up with locomotion models...... I'm sure Jason will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this was solely a Rapido venture, although it would make sense to share some of the outlay, and have somewhere like Locomotion to deal with dispatching the models and any possible warrenty issues etc. It would also I'm guessing limit Rapido's model to something in the National railway mueseum collection ! Owen P.s, although I can't make it, I can't wait until the 24th of June. My money is on the Sierra Leone Hunslet No85 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave47549 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Class 13. Its got a 1 and a 3. Simples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissRailPassion Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 A class 31. It would be nice to have an accurate model that doesn't go rotten and fall apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted April 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 25, 2014 Having looked through the national collection list, it's the 74. 4 from 7 = 3. Damn it's a 71 Or the Shinkansen.....well it's in the national collection!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2014 I was interested to read this online http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/southdurham/bishopauckland/11169792.Rail_museum_in_Shildon_offers_visitors_chance_to_see_3D_model_scan/ In the article it says Rapido are teaming up with locomotion models...... I'm sure Jason will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this was solely a Rapido venture, although it would make sense to share some of the outlay, and have somewhere like Locomotion to deal with dispatching the models and any possible warrenty issues etc. It would also I'm guessing limit Rapido's model to something in the National railway mueseum collection ! Owen P.s, although I can't make it, I can't wait until the 24th of June. My money is on the Sierra Leone Hunslet No85 Have a look at post No.425 on Page 17 of this thread Having looked through the national collection list, it's the 74. 4 from 7 = 3. Damn it's a 71 Or the Shinkansen..... Ah, someone has divined another way to arrive at 3, that's the trouble with trained engineers, they understand things like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 A preview.........of the underside detail. Oh, sorry if you thought it was a preview of the actual model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Ah, someone has divined another way to arrive at 3, that's the trouble with trained engineers, they understand things like that Ooooh, the 1+4-2 is still in the running then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 As we have covered just about every class of British locomotives and DEMU’s what’s going to be really nasty is when the announcement is finally made some jerk will say “See I told your so, see my post XXX dated XX/XX.................” and will then bask in the reflected glory of Jason’s visage. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAndy Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Just to throw another tongue in cheek suggestion............ Me and a couple of the Leamside crew have been e-mailing this morning and as one has pointed out, there was a class 40 named 'Empress of Canada'......! It's number D232.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I reckon there will be a lot of 'accident' scenes on layouts with a Rapido loco on its side where the underframe just happens to be facing the punters so they can see all the intricate detail. I do wonder how they'd capture this information in a one-day scanning session. Unless they can get it up on jacks? The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2014 Ooooh, the 1+4-2 is still in the running then. Careless talk an' all that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 ...With regard to producing a super-duper version of a model already offered by someone else, I'd be interested to know how British modellers feel about that. The impression I get after 15 years working in the hobby (in retail and publishing) is that people here are very reluctant to 'trade up' to better/newer versions ... Perhaps you didn't notice that somehow or other Bachmann and Heljan built very successful presence in the UK market over that period, with inevitably significant duplication. Heljan launched with a class 47, to really rub it in. It was better product, and people bought it. There's a market for better. It's always a judgement call whether the 'better' can be produced at a price which represents sufficient value to attract the necessary customers. But one look at models from the better end of the OO product spectrum - such as the NRM/Bachmann DP1 - and my feeling is that I would like to purchase more like that. (Especially when they have tricky compound curves and paint jobs to reproduce, rather than an all black item largely composed of rectilinear and circular profiled solids.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Perhaps you didn't notice that somehow or other Bachmann and Heljan built very successful presence in the UK market over that period, with inevitably significant duplication. Heljan launched with a class 47, to really rub it in. It was better product, and people bought it. There's a market for better. It's always a judgement call whether the 'better' can be produced at a price which represents sufficient value to attract the necessary customers. But one look at models from the better end of the OO product spectrum - such as the NRM/Bachmann DP1 - and my feeling is that I would like to purchase more like that. (Especially when they have tricky compound curves and paint jobs to reproduce, rather than an all black item largely composed of rectilinear and circular profiled solids.) But then, unless the 'better' product is perfect, the 'better' will always be a judgement call. The Heljan Class 47 has a 'broad gauge' body on narrow gauge trucks and once I'd spotted that, I didn't like it. Mind you, I'd be unlikely to buy a Class 47, good, bad or indifferent. Even after all this time, its a safe bet that Lima and Hornby 47s outsold Heljan ones by ten to one. If you're in business to make money, which models would you prefer to have sold? Now, I did buy Heljan 'Westerns' because they were so much better than the Lima ones (which I now can't give away) but the truly excellent Dapol one hasn't made me REPLACE the Heljan models, although I do have a couple of Dapols, too. So the question comes back to whether there's a big enough market in customers upgrading. Some will, some won't. If you actually had to gamble the six figure sum, would you take the gamble.....? Whenever a new model is suggested, the person making the suggestion always says "I would buy one." The question is, "Will enough other people?" CHRIS LEIGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 but i venture there is also an element of crossover ie: if you calculate another one of your more popular lines will cover any shortfall from a new line then you might still throw the 6 figure sum at it anyway to stop your competitors taking a slice of the market. 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing.....there must be some cross model feeding of profit to some degree.some call them loss leaders.argumentative as to whether that business model works in the model railwY business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 So Rapido aren't going to do the Fell diesel after all, then? Thank F*** for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 i spent quite a while over three decades making 1/43 racing cars for customers among other actvities .I can remember making a terrible model of a Lotus for a guy in the 70s .When a far better version was at last released I assumed he would want it to match some other higher quality models he had .No ,he replied .i have one of those and I only collect one of each .He had his run of Loti and although I found the early model diabolical it filled the alloted number space in Chapmans scheme of things and his collection .I just assume the best is what sells but maybe not ...at least to "collectors'. At least one of his gaps will fill soon .I am making the master pattern for a Lotus 63 although he has probably got a huge out of scale version that appeared briefly by someone . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Jeez, I’d tell Jason not to bother with the UK market.... Stick to what you know, bud. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Not at all. We need to see if the big cheeky grin and abundance of personality and charm is backed up by an ocean deep sense of humour... ... I did buy Heljan 'Westerns' because they were so much better than the Lima ones (which I now can't give away) but the truly excellent Dapol one hasn't made me REPLACE the Heljan models, although I do have a couple of Dapols, too... There's the answer: the better model of the subject you are interested in, provoked purchases. I hung on for the Bachmann 47 as the type 4 diesel endemic to my area of interest, precisely because the Heljan - despite many good features - physically looked wrong to me thanks to the overwidth issue. But plenty of folks liked it enough to buy it, largely thanks to the superior mechanism compared to all earlier products. What past sales the superseded models have achieved is irrelevant; it is what sells now that matters. There is evidence to date that presented with a better model, sufficient folks will find the cash to yield an acceptable commercial return. A manufacturer/commissioner is going to find the limiting boundary eventually for plastic bodied OO RTR: but so far to the best of my knowledge there hasn't been a commercial failure. (Not in this business, strictly a hobby for me and staying that way; needs an insider to know if any business has genuinely taken a cold bath.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2014 I think the simple answer is that if Jason makes the right thing and it is sold at the right price and the price is considered to offer the right value then whatever it is will sell. To some people it will presumably sell because of what it is while others will buy it in the same way that they bought previous NRM/Locomotion 'specials' or locos which are otherwise suitable for the place/era they model, and presumably some will also sell to collectors. The key will I think be a matter of the quality being delivered against whatever price level is set, and Rapido maintaining their reputation for fidelity and quality, and - to a lesser extent - the subject chosen. I say 'lesser extent' for the latter because on the face of it some relatively uncommon, and definitely far from widespread about the network, prototypes have come into the marketplace in the past few years and all seem to have sold quite well despite the state of the economy etc. And can we assume that if this one is a success, for whatever the arrangement is between Jason and the NRM, their involvement might deliver further examples in the future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidobill Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I do wonder how they'd capture this information in a one-day scanning session. Unless they can get it up on jacks? The Nim. We're hoping that a lot of people show up to help roll the thing over.... Rapido Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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