Tomsontour Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 hi one and all, with a recent house move on the cards i finally have room to start a small layout Now i have settled on doing a western themed layout, set somewhere in either Devon or Cornwall. Mainly based on Great Western, although locos will have a mix of Western and Southern steam, the layout will be based in the BR transistional period. I have started the planning process now, i feel time spent here will save me time in the long run! My avalible space is 9foot long by 5 foot, in an L shape, board will be around 2 foot wide on each one. Now from the plan above you can see i have pretty much gone for the classic branch line terminus, the part on the right hand side will be where i will be using cassette fiddle yards, with a small single road engine shed in front of them to hide them, with a few sidings to plan shunting to the top right of the plan with the station forming the main scenic section. Is there any changes you think i could make to this to help with playabilty?? This is the first draft, just thought i would get peoples ideas on this one Many thanks Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted December 6, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2013 As shown you can't get from the platforms to the line in the tunnel, I was assuming that this line is the main route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Agreed. This is the one thing that you need to sort out. There are probably zero real life examples of a branch line arrival having to shunt before the passengers can alight. Unless I've misread your plan and the line behind the trees is a headshunt and arrivals come from in front of the trees? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 oh suger i hadn't noticed that!! thank you kris i shall go back to the drawing board lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 That yard is going to be a pig to shunt. You'll be moving wagons round one or two at a time. And there's very little space to either receive or make up freight trains. For a workable layout on a curve, have a look at Brixham http://www.s-r-s.org.uk/html/gwe/S920.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 How about this one chaps??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Still has the shunting problem. IMHO the yard is, effectively, the wrong way round for operational ease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_1066 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 You don't have to take a screen dump with Scarm you can export a layout using a jpeg file. Go to File > Export then change the "Save as type" box to jpeg and specify where you want it saved to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 time to head back to drawing boards and start from scratch many thanks for the imput guy might route the station around the back.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_1066 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 What about something like this. Using curved points gives more "flow" to the point work. It also reverses the yard and provides a headshunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 wow john that flows a hell of lot better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 following johns advise i have done a like for like using code 75, really opens the layout up, any more changes guys?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted December 6, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2013 Looks great Matt, looking to seeing this progress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The two sidings to the bottom right - what are they for? Seems like rooms for a couple of wagons each, but if there were only one would fit a lot more. Carriage siding, perhaps? Are there any loco facilities - if so where? This could be that. The taper on the platform seems a little long - there's a significant 'too narrow' portion where you couldn't disembark passengers. Whet are the goods sidings? Is there a shed? Is there a yard, even? For me the layout seems much better - it's just the detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chimer Posted December 6, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2013 Flows nicely, but I don't think it solves the shunting problem. Goods train arrives, engine runs round, takes wagons out down the main out of sight behind the trees, comes back and propels into one of the two sidings which can be accessed from the headshunt - but shunting options are then severely limited. I think 3 kickback sidings into the top right corner using the non-platform road as the headshunt (as per the original) would be better - but keeping the other changes which definitely improve things. Good luck! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 The two sidings to the bottom right - what are they for? Seems like rooms for a couple of wagons each, but if there were only one would fit a lot more. Carriage siding, perhaps? Are there any loco facilities - if so where? This could be that. The taper on the platform seems a little long - there's a significant 'too narrow' portion where you couldn't disembark passengers. Whet are the goods sidings? Is there a shed? Is there a yard, even? For me the layout seems much better - it's just the detail. i'm not really used to Scarm, so can't really get all the details in there i'd like, but down on the righ hand side i hope to have a small engine shed of some sort with a water tower and coaling bins, platforms is just added so i can see what is avalible, bay could be addjusted to compensate As to a goods shed, i'm thinking about maybe have a small goods shed, but i dont want it to be heavy on buildings and have a spaceous look about it, as to frieght traffic, there will be a cattle dock, possible oppersite the station building, with general frieght also Flows nicely, but I don't think it solves the shunting problem. Goods train arrives, engine runs round, takes wagons out down the main out of sight behind the trees, comes back and propels into one of the two sidings which can be accessed from the headshunt - but shunting options are then severely limited. I think 3 kickback sidings into the top right corner using the non-platform road as the headshunt (as per the original) would be better - but keeping the other changes which definitely improve things. Good luck! Chris many thanks Chris, i'm not sure how i am going to sort out the shunting puzzle! its something i defiently want to include, with it being a branchline the passenger flow is not going to be massive, so i could possibly use the run round when no passenger services are due??? Many thanks for all your help guys Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 The use of the run round to accept and assemble freights was common. Another question - does your hidden line extend to a fiddle yard or is that it? Of it doesn't extend and you've shown us the total extent of the plan that will limit the train length anyway. Is it possible, therefore, that you could use the 5ft end as the main end? I'm thinking St Ives, curving the platforms round. For what I mean have a look at the St Ives plan here http://www.scribd.com/doc/25621693/Model-Railway-Trackplans-1995 You'd then have an effective fiddleyard space, hidden perhaps by the loco servicing facilities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 Hi John, bit behind the trees is planned to go into the fiddle yard, which will have an extra board put up for the cassettes when playing, limited as this is going in the front room of our flat lol, and i think we need access to the kitchen lol, And that is something i hadnt thought about, that could open up a new possibilty! might give that a try! Many thanks mate All the best Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I thought that 9 x 5 was the max. In which case you should be OK St Ives has the release crossover halfway along the platform so that two passenger trains could use the single platform at once in the holiday season. No reason you need to do this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 9x5 perminant board is the max buddy, but can make a smaller board that can be put up to support the cassette when it comes to play time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 You know, you've nearly got a Bodmin. http://www.s-r-s.org.uk/html/gwf/S1091.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted December 6, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2013 You've come a long way in a day. The later versions are much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 6, 2013 Author Share Posted December 6, 2013 its not far off is it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maunsel Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Over in The most westerly western parts of Mid West Wales there was the Seaside GWR terminus of Aberayron. The GWR called it Aberayron, the locals and most everybody else call it Aberaeron. But it was a pig to find it on a moonless night in the small town, starless and bible-black, the cobble streets silent and the hunched, courters'-and-rabbits' wood limping invisible down to the sloe black, slow, black, crow black, fishing boat bobbing sea. I've posted this plan of it before on this forum, but it might tickle your fancy here......... Regards Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share Posted December 7, 2013 sorry kris i didnt see you had replied, but aye certainly come a long way with the plan already, thank to everyone in here and eric, i do like that a lot, especially the river flowing through, might need to consider adding some sort of stream now by the engine shed! anyone else got any more suggestions as i'm find this all rather helpful take care and many thanks again Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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