RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 Mines just arrived this morning. Hattons via Yodel. Great service. I couldn't even see the handrails so i'm happy. It may have been mentioned, but I missed it in all the dribble, can the drawbar be shortened? I do like a nice 0-6-0. Classic goods engine. Easily pleased, from Norfolk The drawbar looks as if it should be adjustable but the end with two potential settings is attached to the tender with a rivet rather than a screw, so it isn't. Very odd. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 Mine arrived this morning, I only had a brief chance to look it over as I had to get ready for work. So far so good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Photos look good so far, better than the Bachmann C class which leads me to say that once again the former LSWR is getting all the glory while the SECR gets all.... (This point is a joke). I cannot wait for my black motor with knobs at the wrong angle to arrive. I am sure feedback from here will lead to improvements and do not think imposing UN sanctions will be required this time. Edited June 23, 2015 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 The drawbar looks as if it should be adjustable but the end with two potential settings is attached to the tender with a rivet rather than a screw, so it isn't. Very odd.... That's disappointing. The 'two hole' drawbars on the most recent preceeding tender loco models (K1, J15) were screw attached. But all was not quite well: on the K1 the drawbar had to be turned around to successfully locate on the shorter setting without fouling the wires; on the J15 I made a replacement drawbar, shorter setting only, to avoid the supplied drawbar on the shorter setting slowly sawing through the wires while in operation. Hornby seem to be thinking of the closer setting as 'for display only'; rather than for operation which is perfectly feasible if not using set track radii. I'd drill out the rivet on the 700 and make my own attachment arrangements, but then I do like altering things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 Just carefully pull the pin out of the tender, move the draw bar up and reinsert the pin. I have just done it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Can anyone make sense of the dimensions on the drawing on the box sleeve? Appears to be 87m or 285ft long??!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 A few months back, I suggested the reason that the 700 had been delayed was down to the fact that Hornby had retooled the chassis to fit bearings (they weren't apparent on the service sheet) - I think I was right... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 Can anyone make sense of the dimensions on the drawing on the box sleeve? Appears to be 87m or 285ft long??!! It wouldn't be a Hornby Loco without a typo on the box sleeve lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Am I right in thinking, that only the BR Early Crest versions has arrived in the UK? And that the other 2 versions will be arriving soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Am I right in thinking, that only the BR Early Crest versions has arrived in the UK? And that the other 2 versions will be arriving soon... Correct, however the Hornby website is saying that the late BR and Southern Railway liveries are expected to arrive at Hornby today, 23 June, so not long to wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPatBrit Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Correct, however the Hornby website is saying that the late BR and Southern Railway liveries are expected to arrive at Hornby today, 23 June, so not long to wait Just recieved an email from Hornby saying my order for the Southern version is in and ready for dispatch to me. Now the 10 day wait while it crosses the pond..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 This Friday's Engine Shed Blog entry will be about the design and development of the 700 according to Hornby's webpage on them: http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/locomotives/steam-locomotives/dcc-ready-steam-locomotives/drummond-0-6-0-700-class.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2015 "Duggald" Drummond! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 Got mine today - early BR version 30693. An excellent model that runs extremely well. But what a battle to fit a DCC decoder in the tender! You would have thought with a tender of that size that it would be easy, but it isn't. Firstly, the tender pickups are fixed to a pair of copper strips that are raised off the floor and extend the length of the tender. So care must be taken that decoders do not come into contact. Secondly, the weights are screwed to the underside of the roof and annoyingly are not flush so there's 2-3mm of wasted space. I've tried to fit a Lenz Standard+ by fixing it with the usual two-sided tab that Lenz supply. But the tender body won't go back on. Even though the decoder is single sided there's not enough room between the pickup strips and the weights for this relatively thin decoder. So I tried a Lenz Silver direct that I have spare for another project. Again, the weights prevent the body going back at one end, and the slope of the tender at the front also blocks it. Hence the Standard+ has been refitted but with the weights removed. It's stuck to the underside of the tender roof, but I've had to put some masking tape over the bare copper pickup strips, in case after time the sticky tab weakens and the decoder drops on to them. The problem is that Hornby still stick to their R8249 8-pin decoder, unlike Bachmann who have 6-pin and 21-pin versions of their entry level ones. So fitting a 6-pin decoder into the E4, and a 21-pin into the C class were no problem at all. As for the handrail knobs, what's the problem? I can't even see that they're wrong from close-up let alone from normal viewing distance. At least the NEM pocket on the tender's at the right height for a Kadee coupling. And there's a typo on the back of the box describing the loco as "4F". At least it correctly has 3F on the cab side which is all that matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 Its very similar if not the same as the T9 six wheel one. tried a direct board deocder but it hits the top of the tender. So a small Hornby one wrapped in tape and one of the metal weights removed is the way I have done it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Can anyone make sense of the dimensions on the drawing on the box sleeve? Appears to be 87m or 285ft long??!! 28'6" or 8.7m would be a credible length for an 0-6-0 locomotive alone, (have no drawing for this specific class) and just needs a slight decimal point misplacement to misinform the customer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 28'6" or 8.7m would be a credible length for an 0-6-0 locomotive alone, (have no drawing for this specific class) and just needs a slight decimal point misplacement to misinform the customer... Looking on both the Rail Uk and Semg Online websites they both give the overall length of the Black Motor as 54' 1 1/4", so I think it's another typo the first 8 should be a 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Bedding Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Got mine today - early BR version 30693. An excellent model that runs extremely well. But what a battle to fit a DCC decoder in the tender! You would have thought with a tender of that size that it would be easy, but it isn't. Firstly, the tender pickups are fixed to a pair of copper strips that are raised off the floor and extend the length of the tender. So care must be taken that decoders do not come into contact. Secondly, the weights are screwed to the underside of the roof and annoyingly are not flush so there's 2-3mm of wasted space. I've tried to fit a Lenz Standard+ by fixing it with the usual two-sided tab that Lenz supply. But the tender body won't go back on. Even though the decoder is single sided there's not enough room between the pickup strips and the weights for this relatively thin decoder. So I tried a Lenz Silver direct that I have spare for another project. Again, the weights prevent the body going back at one end, and the slope of the tender at the front also blocks it. Hence the Standard+ has been refitted but with the weights removed. It's stuck to the underside of the tender roof, but I've had to put some masking tape over the bare copper pickup strips, in case after time the sticky tab weakens and the decoder drops on to them. The problem is that Hornby still stick to their R8249 8-pin decoder, unlike Bachmann who have 6-pin and 21-pin versions of their entry level ones. So fitting a 6-pin decoder into the E4, and a 21-pin into the C class were no problem at all. As for the handrail knobs, what's the problem? I can't even see that they're wrong from close-up let alone from normal viewing distance. At least the NEM pocket on the tender's at the right height for a Kadee coupling. And there's a typo on the back of the box describing the loco as "4F". At least it correctly has 3F on the cab side which is all that matters. This glitch is of a quite different magnitude to the perceived, and perhaps over-frothed, handrail glitch. My question, therefore :- Is there room - within the tender - to hardwire a different decoder? The Bachmann N was far from retrofit-friendly, but one could (just) circumvent the problem with a TCSM1 squeezed into the firebox, and the flyleads soldered to the motor. I should like to believe that this 700 will be a tad more straightforward. The Dunkirk Limited Edition has a strong appeal, but I do not believe that factory-fiitted bits (like weights) should be removed and discarded. PB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Its very similar if not the same as the T9 six wheel one. tried a direct board deocder but it hits the top of the tender. So a small Hornby one wrapped in tape and one of the metal weights removed is the way I have done it. Looks like I won,t be adding DCC sound to these then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 This glitch is of a quite different magnitude to the perceived, and perhaps over-frothed, handrail glitch. My question, therefore :- Is there room - within the tender - to hardwire a different decoder? The Bachmann N was far from retrofit-friendly, but one could (just) circumvent the problem with a TCSM1 squeezed into the firebox, and the flyleads soldered to the motor. I should like to believe that this 700 will be a tad more straightforward. The Dunkirk Limited Edition has a strong appeal, but I do not believe that factory-fiitted bits (like weights) should be removed and discarded. PB I have an N-class that pre-dates the fitting of a 6-pin socket. It has a Lenz Silver mini that's very easy to hardwire once the PCB board is removed. For the T9 with the 6-wheel tender, which is similar to the 700, I have also fitted a Lenz Silver mini. But I've simply taken a spare Bachmann blanking plug, isolated the solder blob at each end and soldered the decoder wires on to it. The mini decoder then sits at the back of the tender floor on a piece of the Lenz sticky tab. I may have to do the same with the 700. However I may use a 6-pin decoder instead, and fit using a Bachmann 6-pin to 8pin converter harness (36-563). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted June 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2015 Looks like I won,t be adding DCC sound to these then! I reckon its doable by removing all the Hornby weights, adding lead elsewhere, removing the 8 pin sovket and hard wiring a smaller sound decoder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I reckon its doable by removing all the Hornby weights, adding lead elsewhere, removing the 8 pin sovket and hard wiring a smaller sound decoder It is utterly amazing what I got inside a C Class tender, 21 pin chip in the socket, big 25mm base speaker, extra wiring for firebox glow, stay alive capacitor, working lamps on the tender rear and I still left all the tender weights in. It will feel silly hard wiring a 6 pin decoder and adding a sugar lump to the more recent, similar sized 700. I personally do not see the point of doing just silent DCC, it's always DCC sound for me or not at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Abel Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Dang!! It never occurred to me that one of these might "fit" in my era/location, then I found THIS; with it side-by-side with two of my favourites, I may just have to get one 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Dang!! It never occurred to me that one of these might "fit" in my era/location, then I found THIS; Guildford_Station_geograph-2663116-by-Ben-Brooksbank.jpg with it side-by-side with two of my favourites, I may just have to get one Go on, Ian, give in to temptation! Sadly, though, it is the one in the middle that none of us is likely to get in the foreseeable future... Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Go on, Ian, give in to temptation! Sadly, though, it is the one in the middle that none of us is likely to get in the foreseeable future... Mike. We can live in hope! CHRIS LEIGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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