Pete 75C Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Perhaps we should take a lesson from Hitler, Stain etc and rewrite history lest we offend any sensitive souls? As far as the Great Train Robbery is concerned, it's history... it happened, so it has been modelled and modelled very well indeed. I simply do not understand the objections... Maybe we should ban those modelling First World War trench railways out of respect for the millions that died? Send the Hellingly Hospital Railway to landfill on account that modelling a sanatorium might be considered bad taste? Dear oh dear... Edited even though I'm sure you know I meant Stalin, not Stain... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Send the Hellingly Hospital Railway to landfill on account that modelling a sanatorium might be considered bad taste? That has an exemption on the basis that its owner is one of the most congenial nut-jobs in the hobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted January 10, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 10, 2014 And did an awful lot of research before and after he built the model. Did you know that some sanitoriums rented out their patients to local farmers as labourers for example? I also recived a description of life at Hellingly from a nurse who started her work there at 16. Apparently the nights were the worst as the hospital was out in the countryside so the only sounds were from the patients echoing from a huge, forbiding building. Not a pleasent place to be but at the time it was constructed, the people who ran it firmly believed they were doing the best for those in their care. That's why the railway was electrified, it would scare the patients less than a steam engine for example. My take is that you can't change history and quite a lot of it is unpleasent but if we research it properly, there is a lot to be learned. And by research, I don't mean just believing the guff peddled by the mainstream media or those who want to give themselves a bigger part than they really deserve. (Helpful link: My model of the Hellingly Hospital Railway) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Having originally been ithe 'bad taste' camp, I've changed my view thanks to Andy Y's explanation. I haven't seen the article yet btw. Seems like it is an excellent piece of modelling, recording history. And don't forget, history happenned. It shouldn't be supressed - that is censorship. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I don't quite understand why people are comparing a robbery to a scene of mass genocide. You may not think so, but there is a big difference between a robbery where one person was hurt badly and a place where over a 1 million people were gassed and worked to death. Just my view, I'm sure the club didn't mean to offend anyone. You can't edit out the bad stuff in history, it's there to learn from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orford Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Hi Andy, If I might be permitted one final short note.... Whilst I maintain my personal opinion (and reserve the right to do so) I would nevertheless agree with you that the diorama has been extremely well modelled - a different matter altogether ...and in fairness, in the very first paragraph of the BRM article the team did touch on the possible sensitivity of the subject, which I respect. Maybe I should have read on for I was not aware of the fact that the Railway Benefit Fund was being supported by the Luton club in the way you outlined. Regardless of my opinion I will therefore certainly make a contribution to this fund when I see the team at Doncaster in a couple of weeks time. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodekka Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Hi Andy, If I might be permitted one final short note.... Whilst I maintain my personal opinion (and reserve the right to do so) I would nevertheless agree with you that the diorama has been extremely well modelled - a different matter altogether ...and in fairness, in the very first paragraph of the BRM article the team did touch on the possible sensitivity of the subject, which I respect. Maybe I should have read on for I was not aware of the fact that the Railway Benefit Fund was being supported by the Luton club in the way you outlined. Regardless of my opinion I will therefore certainly make a contribution to this fund when I see the team at Doncaster in a couple of weeks time. Don I think people should read all of the article before shooting from the hip... How can anyone make judgement on their fellow modellers unless they are aware of the full facts... Seems a little offensive to those who have produced a seriously good piece of modelling. It should be judged for what it is--- a quality display. And it is exceptionally good and well produced by the BRM team. If anyone feels strongly enough to write and knock it - I hope they are equally strong enough to donate to the charity! Come on guys... lets take a breather from the bash the guys who made it for taking such a bold step and raising the bar a little. All I can see is see it in the flesh - talk to the guys then make your judgements. Not until! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted January 11, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2014 Changing the subject slightly, after all naughty is a part of life..... I noted that Mr P mentions Sheffield stone and its diverse colours somewhere along the line.......and that is a subject I can never get a hold of, even though I see it every day What colour is it? That's the point I was trying to make. Stone and brick are very diverse colours both in individual walls and also around the country. My take would be Humbrol 121 with added khaki and ochre for some stones. Of course the real point is to say, "Go and look at the real thing". Partly 'cos it will help your modelling and partly 'cos it's nice to escape the workbench and head out in to the fresh air occasionally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 11, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2014 Dear BRM Editor, It has come to my attention that you are not displaying the best and most positive aspects of railway modelling in your recent issues. I am especially displeased with so called 'modern image' layouts which in fact are outmoded stereotypes of scenes which no longer exist. Try as I might I cannot see scenes in any of these layouts which represent a positive multi-cultural aspect of today's society with a correct balance of age, gender, sexual orientation or ethnic mix. How can we teach younger entrants to the hobby to celebrate all that is positive if your articles are so incorrect? And don't even think about looking for lady drivers (operators?) of moden image trains something where the balance of your articles is so old hat. I note also that your articles give young lads the impression that it's ok wanting to grow up to be a train driver giving them a completely false impression of today's enlightened times where they must compete for their quota of jobs with those that are reserved for females, handicapped persons, transgender reassinged, and so on. Please address this in future articles. In order to show only what's positive about the hobby you should now devote 75pct of each issue to the ways of Swindon and its descendents. The other 25pct should be given over to the Beatification of the Blue Box. I'm sure any open minded individual would see this is the only way to nirvana and will always show the hobby in a positive light. (The custard dip Blue Pullman was simply a device to test our faith). Please remember the words of the late Bill Shankly. "Railway modelling is not just a matter of life and death - it's more important than that" Angry of Islington (Twinned with Soweto) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Purchased this issue yesterday, sad to note that the announcement of the welcome Hornby FD16/3 stated that Clauds were built as far back as 1933! oh dear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 ...Hornby FD16/3 stated that Clauds were built as far back as 1933! oh dear "FD"...? Oh dear. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 sorry my typings not that good but I dont have a large budget and a proof reader Meant D16/3. my bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Purchased this issue yesterday, sad to note that the announcement of the welcome Hornby FD16/3 stated that Clauds were built as far back as 1933! oh dear Class D16/3 (as the Hornby Gresley Rebuild model is) was introduced in 1933. Class D16 was introduced in 1923. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 sorry my typings not that good but I dont have a large budget and a proof reader Meant D16/3. my bad Yes, it's easy to make slips or to produce infelicitous expressions, and not to notice them until it's too late. For BRM, as well as us. Class D16/3 (as the Hornby Gresley Rebuild model is) was introduced in 1933. Class D16 was introduced in 1923. Very true, though all the designs of Claud were derived from a loco first introduced way back in 1900. That pedigree is one of the things that makes the Clauds so interesting. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 That has an exemption on the basis that its owner is one of the most congenial nut-jobs in the hobby. He'd fit right in on this forum then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2014 He'd fit right in on this forum then. He does seem to doesn't he (BTW he's here already BD - follow the link in Post No.28, nice little railway by the look of it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yes, it's easy to make slips or to produce infelicitous expressions, and not to notice them until it's too late. For BRM, as well as us. Very true, though all the designs of Claud were derived from a loco first introduced way back in 1900. That pedigree is one of the things that makes the Clauds so interesting. Well, not to worry, folks, it's only the LNER.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Oi ! Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 While not a regular purchaser of BRM, I bought this issue on the strength of the contents list, and I have to say it's well worth every penny. In particular Black Country Blues is a superb creation, congratulations and thanks to all involved in building it, and to Andy York for the excellent photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators SteveCole Posted January 14, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted January 14, 2014 While not a regular purchaser of BRM, I bought this issue on the strength of the contents list, and I have to say it's well worth every penny. In particular Black Country Blues is a superb creation, congratulations and thanks to all involved in building it, and to Andy York for the excellent photos. Thank you - that's a great message to greet us this morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 If you've been following Black Country Blues make sure you get this month's BRM for a bit of a picture treat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2014 If you've been following Black Country Blues make sure you get this month's BRM for a bit of a picture treat. Detail1s.jpg I have, it is! (well one of the pics is rather questionable - got an out of scale background ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddibus Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Nice to see that Phil Parker still makes use of his 40th Anniversary Redditch Model Railway Club mug he got when he exhibited his layout at the 2007 Redditch Show The mug features in his show you how article in the February 2014 BRM Magazine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted January 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2014 I have, it is! (well one of the pics is rather questionable - got an out of scale background ) With an equally out of scale screwdriver on the track...... Come and meet the out of scale team and the layout at the Stafford show on the 1st and2nd of February or the BRM Doncaster festival of modelling the following weekend. Don't be shy, please say hi. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators SteveCole Posted January 17, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted January 17, 2014 Hi all, Here's a simple guide on how you can download a FREE sample edition of BRM Feb '14. Click here. Have a good weekend. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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