RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2014 being as its a bit too cold to be working in the shed at the moment so i've decided to build a little layout using bits and bobs i've got left over from various layouts etc i've got a baseboard ready made, only 4 ft by 18" which ive decided to use for whatever i decide to build (i will have to add a fiddle yard at some point!) i want the layout to be self contained with fold up legs which i've actually started to build, just off to B&Q to get some coach bolts for that job as for what i'm going to build, havent got a clue really but left over bits i have are things like..... haljan tackley station Bachmann brewery warehouse peco platform edges bridge girder sides various points code 75 track lots of fencing the one idea i have in my head is not particualrly inspiring but a modern day single rationalized terminus station on a former double track line using "tackley" as a new station on the former trackbed with the peco platform edges behind (think shotton low level) the other idea i was thinking is a lead heading off into a wagon shop (possibly situated in and around the Bachmann warehouse) so i can run various single wagons in and out of the layout "for repair" ideally i'd like to use this layout as something to practice my scenic skills on rather than being prototypically correct i'll try and get started on it tomorrow and will post pics as i go along Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 23, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2014 right, got the baseboard in earlier to make a start on it (excuse the messy dining room!)...... 4ft x 1ft (not 18" as i though) it is designed to be table mounted with little mini feet however i've decided to add legs to it to make it freestanding i'd already drilled a couple of holes to fit the legs last week, got some M6 coach bolts with wingnuts and fitted up the first one next up i fitted the leg to the other end of the board, which i've mounted lower than the opposite end so they fold inside each other, once the other legs are fitted i'll add a cross member to secure the 2 same side legs together and folded out so folded them back up and had a play with a few ideas of what i want to do. to give you an idea of how little space i have, here is the Heljan tackley station, i've had to move the ramp from the end to get it to fit see, told you it was small, the station doesnt even hold a 150, i can get away with it as the passenger doors are on the platform which leaves me with this much space at the other end digging out a Bachmann brewery ive had for years i placed it at the opposite end as what i hoped to be the "scenic break" for the exit to the fiddle yard (when its built!) then placing some track down i moved the building about a bit to experiment with angles, you will have to imagine this bit but the line coming in from the bottom right will actually be a double track line which will continue over a bridge (where the girders are placed) and continue round alongside the platform line (where the cargowaggon is at the top), there will be a single set of small points bringing a siding back down over the girder bridge to the left of the warehouse as can be seen here the small points will along side the 150 about level with the cab, giving a nice tight curve into the yard once i've decided where the bridges are going to be i'll cut out the top board to "look down" to the riverbed, i've decided to steer away from the wagon shop as there quite simply there isnt the room on the board so i've decided on a single siding with a transhipment platform, it can handle the likes of a cargowaggon or a megabox full of scrap etc i've worked out there is enough room for a cargowaggon (my longest wagon) and a shunter (03 in this case) between the layout end and points the "method of work" will be the mainline loco will propel a wagon onto the layout and stop at a "stop board" on the bridge, the shunter will then draw forward and pick up the wagon and manouvre it into the sidings, you will have to imagine that the "run round loop" is off scene, the points will be worked by a groundframe as the signal box is now derelect 03 sat on what will be the girder bridge into the siding, the railside walls for the transhipment platform can be seen alongside the cargowaggon with the roadside face alongside the girder at the bottom, obviously the void between will be filled with "platform", the ramp up and down will be next to the warehouse at 90 degree to the track i haven't decided if i want to make the platform triangular or rectangular though. triangular fills up the space at the bottom square gives me a bit of room for a 1/2 relief road bridge my intention with this layout is to make it viewable and workable from all sides so there wont be a backscene on it, here are some views of it from various angles so there we have it, hope to crack on with it pretty quickly, its going to be dcc controlled using my lenz controller, the one and only point will probably be controlled manually as its not worth fitting up an accessory decoder unless i use it to work a signal or layout lighting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Looks nice Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mason Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hi Jim I really like the simplicity of this and the curves in the plan make it a bit more interesting. I love a good small micro layout and i am looking forward to this developing. Nice baseboards too. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 With that space I'd forgo a passenger service and concentrate on a purely freight location, just a thought, Jim. I know we Brits think everywhere should have passengers, it took me a while to get over that when I moved here... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Nice work Jim. There's nothing like playing around with a plan "full-size"... I've never been able to get on with sketches or 1/10 scale models of the model... Good luck with this. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 23, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2014 With that space I'd forgo a passenger service and concentrate on a purely freight location, just a thought, Jim. I know we Brits think everywhere should have passengers, it took me a while to get over that when I moved here... Best, Pete. i want a rationalised passenger line on there purely coz ive got a couple of units that havent seen the light of day since i bought them and the tackley station i bought i have no use for elsewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty11 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Very nice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 2, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2014 set out the track on the boards again earlier to get things lined up, mainly so i can work out where to cut the river bed out one thing i have done is change the peco code 75 to C+L finescale track that i picked up from the stafford show, i will be using a peco point though as i can't justify the cost of a point kit (and i don't have the skill to build one!) should look good! i then positioned the various bridge girders on the board, the top is the platform line and shunt line towards the siding, the small "V" between the plate and girder bridges will be cut out, similarly the large area between the girder bridge and the single bottom plate girder will be cut out, the area below the girder to the board edge will be a 1/2 relief road bridge i was thinking about the loading platform but then hit on a different idea, using more bits i got from stafford and a peco platform edge i thought of putting the loading bays on the warehouse as a "modernisation" to the old building, that would then leave me with a nice area i can have as a hard standing with inset track another view class 70 waiting for its wagon to be returned! and its back different view. once the river channel is cut in i've decided that the area on the other bank to the warehouse (closest the camera in the above picture) will be some sort of scrap yard/processor to justify the siding handling megaboxes with scrap loads i have now however put the board away for a week or so as i'm off on a lodge turn in gloucester for the week, i will try and get the final legs done tomorrow before i go though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 6, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ive been having a think about the point in the layout and rather than compromise and put the peco point in i've thought about going down the marcway route after being pointed toward them by andy Y at stafford on sunday as it is cheaper than the c+l point kit route (and i dont have the skills to build a point) however i'm confused by which point to get as i really dont understand radius' (radii) To be honest the code 75 peco point isn't really sharp enough, what radius are those normally (in inches) The tightest marcway point is a 36' radius would that be sharper, or indeed too sharp for the likes of the cargowaggon and 03 to realistically negociate? Can i get a marcway template from anywhere to print off and place on the board to see how it would look (ie on templot) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2014 To be honest the code 75 peco point isn't really sharp enough, what radius are those normally (in inches) Hi Jim, As a comparison, Here's a list of Peco Code 75 pointwork radii The curved point is 60 outer, 30" inner. Large - 60" Medium - 36" Short - 24" The cargowaggon and 03 would probably get down to 18", although pushing may be "interesting" and there would be a considerable overhang on the cargowaggon. Realistically, you probably want to keep the curves at 24" and above. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 6, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2014 so the short peco point on the layout is 24" radius? would a marcway 36" radius point be equivalent lengthwise to a medium radius peco point? (give or take a few MM) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2014 so the short peco point on the layout is 24" radius? would a marcway 36" radius point be equivalent lengthwise to a medium radius peco point? (give or take a few MM) Probably - it may be worth a call to Marcway to check. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 7, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2014 Thanks both! I'll place a medium radius point on there to see how it looks space wise, ive not cut anything yet so have a bit of room for movement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted February 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2014 Hi Jim, I tried a couple of turnouts in Templot (with a bit of guessing of your baseboard). This one is a 9ft + 1:4.5 turnout having a radius of 25": This one is a 9ft + 1:5.5 turnout having a radius of 38", which has the effect of shortening the headshunt by about an inch (14" instead of 15"): They are simple straight turnouts with curviform crossings. If you don't feel confident about building one yourself, you might find someone on RMweb willing to build it for you. There are a few members on here who offer custom pointwork building: Here is the PDF file for accurate 00-BF templates: jims_turnouts.pdf edit: if printing the above from your PDF reader, be sure to set 100% No Page Scaling. regards, Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 7, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2014 martin, thats fantastic, thank you very much! i think it would have to be the first shorter one as the headshunt is quite tight as it is i'll must still admit the numbers mean nothing to me but basically if someone could build the point for me i take it they use the template you have kindly provided to build from? also would a custom builder make it from a generic kit (ie marcway) or build it from individual componants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Russ (mines a pint) Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2014 Marcway will custom make points but it might be dearer/slower than an off the peg one? Have you thought of using a small Y and a curved left into the platform line to make the line look like it has been recently singled - I don't think you'd loose anything operationally? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 10, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2014 i do have a spare small Y which for the road into the warehouse looked spot on when i was experimenting with setups, however as i still want a separate line for the freight loco to enter the layout it just didnt work unfortunatly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted March 1, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2014 called in trident trains in daglields earlier for a nose round and purely by chance i asked richard if he ever got any hand made track in 2nd hand, low and behold he disapeared into the back and came back with a box of 'build it yourself' scaleway points, the plastic variety, out of which i got a 3ft point for £5, at that price its worth a go to try and build one, he also had things like catch points which if i manage to build the first succesfully i may get too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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