Nile's Mostly Freelance Bodging Bench - Pre-Grouping Locos

[Nile]

Now where was I? Oh yes, fitting gas pipes to all 8 coaches of the LMWR rake. I got there eventually, here is a photo of the end of the rake, no real point showing the rest of it.

The roofs could do with weathering or spraying a darker colour, something for later with warmer weather.

 

I'd had my eye on the LNWR coaches, but not because they looked anything like LNWR coaches. I had other plans for these.

I compared the 'plum' colour with various paints.

The dark one far right is what it should be, the closest match is the one far left. That one is Polly Scale 'Wisconsin Central maroon', which happens to be the colour I use on my West Midland Railway coaches. So after removing the LNWR markings with Micro-sol I added my own:

 

A first and third together. The new markings on the third are off-centre due to the odd number of compartments.

Lots more to do on these (later), but you get the idea.

 

Meanwhile this happened (another distraction).

[LNWR18901910]

30 minutes ago, Nile said:

Now where was I? Oh yes, fitting gas pipes to all 8 coaches of the LMWR rake. I got there eventually, here is a photo of the end of the rake, no real point showing the rest of it.

The roofs could do with weathering or spraying a darker colour, something for later with warmer weather.

 

I'd had my eye on the LNWR coaches, but not because they looked anything like LNWR coaches. I had other plans for these.

I compared the 'plum' colour with various paints.

The dark one far right is what it should be, the closest match is the one far left. That one is Polly Scale 'Wisconsin Central maroon', which happens to be the colour I use on my West Midland Railway coaches. So after removing the LNWR markings with Micro-sol I added my own:

 

A first and third together. The new markings on the third are off-centre due to the odd number of compartments.

Lots more to do on these (later), but you get the idea.

 

Meanwhile this happened (another distraction).

Planning on a 4-4-0 tender locomotive?

[Mikkel]

For me that's the real potential of these coaches, making freelance layouts.  And your modelling makes the best case for freelancing that I can think of. 

 

I just had a look through the index page for this thread, what an amazing amount of stock you've covered over the past 7 years. In fact I'm beginning to think there must have been more to this than a London-Oxford line. Do we know if the LWMR had branches and secondary routes? 

[Nile]

Some of these models are for the WMR which is a much bigger affair. I will sort some maps out eventually.

 

19 hours ago, LNWR18901910 said:

Planning on a 4-4-0 tender locomotive?

Close. Something to pull these new coaches.

[mwrob]

18 hours ago, Nile said:

Close. Something to pull these new coaches.

 

I'm guessing something inspired by a Metropolitan A class with bulky condensing apparatus. Although the Cambrian did convert some second hand ones to tender locos so maybe both?

[LNWR18901910]

On 16/03/2021 at 22:58, Nile said:

Now where was I? Oh yes, fitting gas pipes to all 8 coaches of the LMWR rake. I got there eventually, here is a photo of the end of the rake, no real point showing the rest of it.

The roofs could do with weathering or spraying a darker colour, something for later with warmer weather.

 

I'd had my eye on the LNWR coaches, but not because they looked anything like LNWR coaches. I had other plans for these.

I compared the 'plum' colour with various paints.

The dark one far right is what it should be, the closest match is the one far left. That one is Polly Scale 'Wisconsin Central maroon', which happens to be the colour I use on my West Midland Railway coaches. So after removing the LNWR markings with Micro-sol I added my own:

 

A first and third together. The new markings on the third are off-centre due to the odd number of compartments.

Lots more to do on these (later), but you get the idea.

 

Meanwhile this happened (another distraction).

I can make out WMR on the LNWR coaches - that's exactly the same project I am doing in taking modern train companies and giving them the Steam-era treatment.

[Nile]

mwrob is on the right lines. Inspiration comes from underground and North London 4-4-0 tanks, without condensing gear. That will mean a much smaller bunker and longer side tanks.

Time to get cutting, as the rear end of the chassis needed to go.

 

That left the DCC socket dangling out the back. The footplate has also been cut.

 

After removing the socket this is what's left of the wiring. This will all sit inside the firebox.

[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

Nice work on the coaches, and this loco, I've often wondered what Hornby think of us 'hacking' up there loco's to make something else. I know, they've made a sale, and don't really care what happens next. But it would be nice to know, or how much laughter it arouse's at Hornby HQ.

 

manna

[TangoOscarMike]

On 20/03/2021 at 05:54, manna said:

Nice work on the coaches, and this loco, I've often wondered what Hornby think of us 'hacking' up there loco's to make something else. I know, they've made a sale, and don't really care what happens next. But it would be nice to know, or how much laughter it arouse's at Hornby HQ.

 

I hope that it makes them happy. They've put their creative energies into making something nice. If somebody continues the creative process, making a nicer model or just a different model, then surely that's something to celebrate.

 

I would be delighted to see people taking a saw to one of my 3D printed engines, and making improvements.

 

Or, maybe they just think we're a crowd of hooligans.

 

Edited March 21, 2021 by TangoOscarMike

[Nile]

I think I'm a model hooligan.

 

Next the bunker was shortened to a more normal size, the one on the Adams radial is mostly water tank.

 

The firebox back-head will be further back, leaving room inside for the wiring. This position is more in line with the other 4-4-0s.

[Compound2632]

The rear of the firebox can sit as close as it likes to the rear axle but no further back than that while the front has to leave enough clearance for the eccentrics on the driving axle.

[Penrhos1920]

19 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

The rear of the firebox can sit as close as it likes to the rear axle but no further back than that while the front has to leave enough clearance for the eccentrics on the driving axle.

 

On the Mersey Railway prairies the firebox straddled the rear driven axle.  The ash pan was inverted V in section sitting over the axle.

[Compound2632]

4 minutes ago, Penrhos1920 said:

On the Mersey Railway prairies the firebox straddled the rear driven axle.  The ash pan was inverted V in section sitting over the axle.

 

My statement was about four-coupled locomotives (2-4-0s and 4-4-0s), although it also applies to conventional 0-6-0 tender engines and to tank engines derived from these tender types - 2-4-2T, 4-4-2T, 0-6-2T &c. It also applies more-or-less uniformly to 2-2-2, 4-2-2, 0-4-2, 0-4-2T, 0-4-4T engines, all having the driving axle immediately in front of the firebox and the carrying axle astern of the firebox. It breaks down for short-coupled-wheelbase six-coupled engines such as 4-6-0 tender engines and tank engines of the sort you describe.

[Nile]

The side tanks were extended forward as far as the steps with pieces of plastic card. The metal body and plastic running plate are now glued as well as screwed together.

 

This is the other side before fitting.

 

New firebox top made from some pre-curved card.

 

New tank tops fitted and the side walls capped with half round Evergreen strip.

[Corbs]

I like this already

 

[HonestTom]

Really looking forward to seeing what you come up with. I love a Victorian suburban tank engine and as a Tubehead, I'm interested to see how the Underground ties into all this.

[NHY 581]

Maybe a set of condensing pipes alá Beyer Peacock Metro tank.. ? 

 

 

Rob. 

[Nile]

No condensing pipes on this one, the trains were handed over to the District at Earls Court.

Cab top and bunker now firmly glued on.

 

Although the bunker feels secure I've some extra support to the chassis under it. Some code 75 BH rail fits perfectly into channel formerly used by the wiring. I soldered some scrap nickel silver onto it and glued it into the channel.

 

On the underside I filled in gaps around the chassis end with bits of plastic card. I also managed to squeeze in a mount for a NEM362 socket, a leftover from one of those new Hornby coaches. Just visible is the end of a piece of brass rod which passes through both sides of the chassis and the coupling mount, so it's not just relying on glue to hold it there.

[Sandhole]

Just now, Nile said:

No condensing pipes on this one, the trains were handed over to the District at Earls Court.

Cab top and bunker now firmly glued on.

 

Although the bunker feels secure I've some extra support to the chassis under it. Some code 75 BH rail fits perfectly into channel formerly used by the wiring. I soldered some scrap nickel silver onto it and glued it into the channel.

 

On the underside I filled in gaps around the chassis end with bits of plastic card. I also managed to squeeze in a mount for a NEM362 socket, a leftover from one of those new Hornby coaches. Just visible is the end of a piece of brass rod which passes through both sides of the chassis and the coupling mount, so it's not just relying on glue to hold it there.

This is JOYOUS.
Regards,
Chris.

[Nile]

Some more joy for you I hope.

The cab roof needed to be extended to cover the bunker, NLR style. I cut the front lip off and inserted a strip of plastic card in there. The window openings have been reduced in size with rectangles of plastic. New glazing will be needed for these. The rather prominent lip around the top of the chimney was turned down with the aid of a mini-drill to give a more stove pipe look.

The cab roof was just resting in place in those photos.

I didn't want to permanently attach it so found a way to make it removable. A couple of magnets near the front will hold it in place, these will be near invisible with the roof on. At the back some brass rods locate into holes in the back of the bunker.

The filler on the back of the bunker is where I accidentality cut through when removing the innards, doh!

[gz3xzf]

Excellent build Nile, the loco really looks the part.

Brilliant idea for a removable cab roof, I may have to borrow that in the future if you don't mind.

[Nile]

Some small details. I made new tank filler caps from some plastic tube (5mm diameter), topped by discs of black plastic card made using a paper hole punch. The handle is some brass rod. They will be fitted after painting etc is finished as they would get in the way.

At the bottom of the tank front (slightly out of focus) is the sand box filler cap, some white plastic rod with a small ball of lead (fluid lead) glued on top. I got that idea from Dave the Ruston.

[Sandhole]

On 28/03/2021 at 15:30, Nile said:

Some more joy for you I hope.

The cab roof needed to be extended to cover the bunker, NLR style. I cut the front lip off and inserted a strip of plastic card in there. The window openings have been reduced in size with rectangles of plastic. New glazing will be needed for these. The rather prominent lip around the top of the chimney was turned down with the aid of a mini-drill to give a more stove pipe look.

The cab roof was just resting in place in those photos.

I didn't want to permanently attach it so found a way to make it removable. A couple of magnets near the front will hold it in place, these will be near invisible with the roof on. At the back some brass rods locate into holes in the back of the bunker.

The filler on the back of the bunker is where I accidentality cut through when removing the innards, doh!

The loco is delightful. Lovely job.
I wouldn't like to fire that beast. No space!
The driver needs to be a contortionist. Where is the reversing wheel or lever going to be?

[Nile]

Somewhere on the left. The OO gauged cab splashers make things a bit cramp, such is life modelling in this compromised gauge.

[chuffinghell]

Proper modelling at its best! 

 

none of this 3D cheating that I get up to