robmcg Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) here is a taster, though I did this two or three years ago... bought the unloved Urie version N15 which Hornby and shops cannot give away, my local model shop still has another on 'special' at cost and it's been on the shelf at that price for more than two years. I shall look at my rather too large collection of pristine and weathered versions shortly, and come up with something nearer Exeter... this below is approaching Farnborough. I have a problem with collecting certain engine types and the N15 is one, Bulleid Pacifics another... Black 5s and Britannias I have a few of them too. Ah well, cheaper than some hobbies, like restoring old Jaguars (another error in life).. I already have one Hattons Garratt and wait for a second, quick, pass me a pill... if this is one of Hornby's best models, I wonder why this particular version is so hard to sell? Shades of Bude? Edited March 21, 2014 by robmcg 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 here is the preceding numbered engine in SR days... also done two years ago or more. And not strictly the LSWR 'Main'. But these engines certainly did fine work. Superb models too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2014 Actually, I might also do a similar one with a Spamcan having just bought a 34051 in pristine condition, which as toboldlygo will attest, was always clean (NOT) If I have a 34051 in pristine condition, it means I've got another donor BoB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) I have already played with it... I could get to like these clean engines... thank you Hattons Of course no one would seriously consider the Hornby SpamCan to be their best model... picture is modified by me. Lock up your artistic principles lest it become one of the finest model Hornby DIDN'T produce.... Edited March 22, 2014 by robmcg 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2014 I have already played with it... I could get to like these clean engines... thank you Hattons Do not be seduced by the clean-side.... Bulleid's must be dirty (107th) 34032 Camelford - used a DCC Sound Donor here. For those who don't know Hornby updated Rebuilt/Modified WC with this release, the tender connection is different (plug and socket and permanently coupled) and the green's much darker too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingleycustom Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 here is a taster, though I did this two or three years ago... bought the unloved Urie version N15 which Hornby and shops cannot give away, my local model shop still has another on 'special' at cost and it's been on the shelf at that price for more than two years. I shall look at my rather too large collection of pristine and weathered versions shortly, and come up with something nearer Exeter... this below is approaching Farnborough. I have a problem with collecting certain engine types and the N15 is one, Bulleid Pacifics another... Black 5s and Britannias I have a few of them too. Ah well, cheaper than some hobbies, like restoring old Jaguars (another error in life).. I already have one Hattons Garratt and wait for a second, quick, pass me a pill... if this is one of Hornby's best models, I wonder why this particular version is so hard to sell? Shades of Bude? Would that be King Uther?, my (only) claim to fame (I don't get out much!) is that I pointed out to that nice Mr Kohler that the original selection: The Red Knight had the Lemaitre exhaust with wide diameter chimney plus straight deflectors and maybe Hornby ought to change their choice to one of the other N15s with standard deflectors. Anyway young man, BR green is hardly 1930s! ... I'll get my anorak ... Glenn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingleycustom Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 here is the preceding numbered engine in SR days... also done two years ago or more. And not strictly the LSWR 'Main'. But these engines certainly did fine work. Superb models too. Now that is so much better !!! Glenn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingleycustom Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Do not be seduced by the clean-side.... Bulleid's must be dirty (107th) 34032 Camelford - used a DCC Sound Donor here. For those who don't know Hornby updated Rebuilt/Modified WC with this release, the tender connection is different (plug and socket and permanently coupled) and the green's much darker too. 'and the green's much darker too' - green?, what green? BR Standard grey and grime looks fine to me, although I think you've gone to town on this one; end of steam and really filthy look perhaps? Under-funded and nationalised BR = dirty, Sir Herbert Walker's well managed SR = clean, simple really! Glenn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 Do not be seduced by the clean-side.... Bulleid's must be dirty 34032_rhfan.jpg (107th) 34032 Camelford - used a DCC Sound Donor here. For those who don't know Hornby updated Rebuilt/Modified WC with this release, the tender connection is different (plug and socket and permanently coupled) and the green's much darker too. Could I have a go at a background for this one please? It has to be a contender for Hornby's Best Model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2014 Could I have a go at a background for this one please? It has to be a contender for Hornby's Best Model! En-route to you - once they've uploaded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 I am thinking a similar background to others, a bit like the reversing loop at Eastleigh, where all of these engines were likely to have been seen at one time or another. Quite clearly it was SR which begat the finest RTR Hornby models, so my quest for 'best ever' is clearly now rhetorical.. all over bar the shouting... <g> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2014 'and the green's much darker too' - green?, what green? BR Standard grey and grime looks fine to me, although I think you've gone to town on this one; end of steam and really filthy look perhaps? Under-funded and nationalised BR = dirty, Sir Herbert Walker's well managed SR = clean, simple really! Glenn I'm at my happiest when they are at their dirtiest Actually it's RLM Dark Blue Grey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2014 I am thinking a similar background to others, a bit like the reversing loop at Eastleigh, where all of these engines were likely to have been seen at one time or another. Quite clearly it was SR which begat the finest RTR Hornby models, so my quest for 'best ever' is clearly now rhetorical.. all over bar the shouting... <g> She's an Exmouth Junction loco, but then again most of the Southern ones I do are. The next one currently in the dirty works is as well (a T9), then I shall be heading East (an O1), then West (a King), before heading back to 72A again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 I don't think GWR engines are allowed ... I'll check the rulebook on unfair practice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) En-route to you - once they've uploaded and here is what I sent back just now, I think I will plump for the Hornby rebuilt light Pacific as their best ever. [edit; today, that is. Tomorrow, hmmm... ] I have touched up the pic of course... but essentially it is toboldygo's weathering of an out-of-the box Hornby model. The white smoke to the right is a rubbish or ash fire, common around railways of the day. typo edit Edited March 24, 2014 by robmcg 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hold everything! All bets are off! I want all readers to consider the Hornby Black 5 having just unboxed an example weathered and detailed by Hattons... ...and all I have done is paint cylinder drains and re-touch some bits around the front. Actually as mentioned in a Settle and Carlisle thread I am actually suffering from Garratt deprivation withdrawal, still waiting for heavily weathered BR versions. In the meantime I am feeling the need for things Midland, well, Black 5s anyway... and this model may have its detractors but will we see better in RTR 00? Lovely model lit largely by pale evening sun on my desk. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hold everything! All bets are off! I want all readers to consider the Hornby Black 5 having just unboxed an example weathered and detailed by Hattons... ...and all I have done is paint cylinder drains and re-touch some bits around the front. Actually as mentioned in a Settle and Carlisle thread I am actually suffering from Garratt deprivation withdrawal, still waiting for heavily weathered BR versions. In the meantime I am feeling the need for things Midland, well, Black 5s anyway... and this model may have its detractors but will we see better in RTR 00? Lovely model lit largely by pale evening sun on my desk. Black_5_1abcd_crop1_r1200.jpg There's not a lot wrong with Hornby's Black Five. It was their "next big thing" after the success of the rebuilt MN. They have obviously done better than both since then but, as with the MN, the latest 5MTs aren't identical to early examples. One problem is that the prototype was a good deal less standardised than most of us think, so renumbering can be hazardous! I'm not totally ignorant of things LMS, but I find West Countries dead easy by comparison! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24, 2014 There's not a lot wrong with Hornby's Black Five. It was their "next big thing" after the success of the rebuilt MN. They have obviously done better than both since then but, as with the MN, the latest 5MTs aren't identical to early examples. One problem is that the prototype was a good deal less standardised than most of us think, so renumbering can be hazardous! I'm not totally ignorant of things LMS, but I find West Countries dead easy by comparison! John As minefields are banned under international convention, shouldn't that included the Black 5 as it's classified as one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) Ah but there is the limitless pleasure of modelling! Tenders, riveted or welded, or half and half.. ? Almost as complex and variable as Bulleid light Pacifics. DON'T MENTION MERCHANT NAVYs. At least Black 5 cabs are generally all the same width, (I think!) Only about four basic boiler styles, many and various welded or rivetted smokebox styles, sanding variations, front bogie dimensions, buffer beams, all in Irwell's vols 1,2,and 3 ... ah the pleasures! If you want complication, try buying things via Ebay from NZ or indeed some large UK sellers who really see customers as evil and to be endured... (not having a good day with purchasing experiences today... a weathered Black 5 might eventually be bought, in spite of the kind of ambiguous and ineffective language used; " just select the loco, commit to buy, and we can do the invoice here" Cannot select the loco (sale has 'ended') what does 'commit to buy' mean? Where is the invoice? Where is 'here'?) And TMC having had computer errors so two models I bought on line successfully via Paypal, (their words) ' we need to take a further £12' , steadfastly refuse to apologise, will not find a tracking number (why? when the parcel hasn't gone missing yet)? and are now saying 'we are just unpacking after a show' (what the hell has that got to do with a web sale) ... FWIW TMC charge £28 tracked air packet Hattons £10.50-£13.50 sigh edit; I guess I don't have to buy, probably won't buy off them again. Edited March 24, 2014 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Hattons however, no problems, and though this may not be Hornby's best model, the prototype has good claim to being Britain's best steam locomotive. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 There's not a lot wrong with Hornby's Black Five. Oh dear. Can't let that go unchallenged. Try here for a start. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/19802-detailing-a-Hornby-black-5/ Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 here is a taster, though I did this two or three years ago... bought the unloved Urie version N15 which Hornby and shops cannot give away, my local model shop still has another on 'special' at cost and it's been on the shelf at that price for more than two years. I shall look at my rather too large collection of pristine and weathered versions shortly, and come up with something nearer Exeter... this below is approaching Farnborough. I have a problem with collecting certain engine types and the N15 is one, Bulleid Pacifics another... Black 5s and Britannias I have a few of them too. Ah well, cheaper than some hobbies, like restoring old Jaguars (another error in life).. I already have one Hattons Garratt and wait for a second, quick, pass me a pill... if this is one of Hornby's best models, I wonder why this particular version is so hard to sell? Shades of Bude? Urie_Arthur_at_Speed_4a_r1200.jpg Many of us who model the Southern Region pick a year or so either side of 1960 so that we can run rebuilt Bulleids alongside the originals. For us, 'King Uther' would be a BR Standard 5MT! 30737 was withdrawn in 1956, at roughly the same time the first MN was rebuilt, and all the Urie N15s had gone by the time Eastleigh started on the Light Pacifics. The problem with this model may be purely chronological. If so, Hornby might be wise to stick to SR liveries if they ever repeat this particular variant. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 Oh dear. Can't let that go unchallenged. Try here for a start. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/19802-detailing-a-Hornby-black-5/ Bernard Fair enough, but I found my own example very impressive when placed alongside Hornby's earlier attempt at this loco. It certainly doesn't compare with the best of Hornby's later locos, but neither does the MN equal a rebuilt WC; things did move. To me, it still looks pretty good as a "layout loco" and I've not yet had the urge to perform plastic surgery upon it. Anyone who does feel the need for improvement has the excellent 'one-stop shop' Brassmasters upgrade kit available to help them. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 Oh dear. Can't let that go unchallenged. Try here for a start. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/19802-detailing-a-Hornby-black-5/ Bernard Hence my warning at the Black 5 being a minefield, just couldn't remember where I'd read about all the niggles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Oh dear. Can't let that go unchallenged. Try here for a start. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/19802-detailing-a-Hornby-black-5/ Bernard Brilliant work in this thread. I knew I had a faint memory of 'things to fix' but my memory is conveniently poor! Thanks for reminding me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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