Steve's 4mm workbench. Lima class 47 re vamp

[sb67]

The Dogfish have had some basic weathering, and one has had transfers added, both have had a couple of coats of matt varnish, so I'll leave them alone for a while now before any more weathering. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NickL2008]

Nice work. I too have replaced the chunky platforms and toy like handwheels on my Dogfish. I went a step further and also replaced the steps. Stenson models builders plates also finnish these wagons off nicely too

 

NL

[sb67]

6 hours ago, NickL2008 said:

Nice work. I too have replaced the chunky platforms and toy like handwheels on my Dogfish. I went a step further and also replaced the steps. Stenson models builders plates also finnish these wagons off nicely too

 

NL

 

Thanks @NickL2008 How did you replace the handrails, I've not decided how to do that yet. 

[sb67]

Started a bit of work on the Tope. I wanted a basic rusty colour before I put the scratches on so, using the time-honoured paint on wipe off method, I used thinned acrylic paint, Humbrol Matt 62 worked on one panel at a time. The effect is very subtle but I'm liking that as I usually go too far too soon! 

 

 

 

 

 

[sb67]

Also, in an attempt to id colours from photo's I made up this colour chart, not sure if it will help. I didn't realise how many 'rusty' paints I have! 

[NickL2008]

11 hours ago, sb67 said:

 

Thanks @NickL2008 How did you replace the handrails, I've not decided how to do that yet. 

 

On my ones, I remade the end stanchions that hold them on, and replace with wire, drilled into both sides. I scratch built the new stanchions, but you could also 3D print some 

 

NL

[Enfys_Rainbow]

Hi Steve,

 

Very nice job on the Tope so far - is this the Hornby wagon?

If so, the handrails look good - much better [and easier] than forming them from wire as I had to do with my kitbashed one. 

 

 

Sorry for the highjack but it was such an unpleasant experience that I decided to stop after one wagon!

 

Matt

[sb67]

22 hours ago, Enfys_Rainbow said:

Hi Steve,

 

Very nice job on the Tope so far - is this the Hornby wagon?

If so, the handrails look good - much better [and easier] than forming them from wire as I had to do with my kitbashed one. 

 

 

Sorry for the highjack but it was such an unpleasant experience that I decided to stop after one wagon!

 

Matt

 

Thank you. It is indeed the Hornby model, I wish a had a few more of them! I get what you mean about the handrails, I made some a while back for some Hornby 21t coal hoppers and lot's of trial and error and patience required! 

I could leave the Tope in that condition really, as they wouldnt have been around too long in the time frame I usually model but I wanted to tray and replicate something like this, maybe I'll do that on one side only.

 

 

 

[sb67]

I've also got a couple of these Bachmann POA's. I'd like to turn them into Limpets, so is i just a case of removing the ladders on the left and making the holes in the side? 

 

[James Makin]

1 hour ago, sb67 said:

I've also got a couple of these Bachmann POA's. I'd like to turn them into Limpets, so is i just a case of removing the ladders on the left and making the holes in the side? 

 

Looks a fun project Steve! The suspension parts can be replaced with the Bruninghaus type, either available as whitemetal casting from S Kits/Wills Workbench or just cutting and filing the original plastic to shape! Plus your choice of couplings and then the option to add extra detailing to recreate all the fiddly bits underneath.
 

I’ve done a few on my Workbench thread on here, adding extra chassis pipe runs etc, it’s almost easier to find a new-gen Hornby TTA and seeing which bits are missing on the Bachmann chassis now!

 

The weathering will be the most fun part!

 

Cheers

James

[sb67]

4 hours ago, James Makin said:

Looks a fun project Steve! The suspension parts can be replaced with the Bruninghaus type, either available as whitemetal casting from S Kits/Wills Workbench or just cutting and filing the original plastic to shape! Plus your choice of couplings and then the option to add extra detailing to recreate all the fiddly bits underneath.
 

I’ve done a few on my Workbench thread on here, adding extra chassis pipe runs etc, it’s almost easier to find a new-gen Hornby TTA and seeing which bits are missing on the Bachmann chassis now!

 

The weathering will be the most fun part!

 

Cheers

James

 

Thanks James. Do you know anything about their early liveries, would they all have been painted Dutch immediately or just converted and carried the original livery for a while? 

[Daddyman]

On 08/01/2024 at 17:44, sb67 said:

Do you know anything about their early liveries, would they all have been painted Dutch immediately or just converted and carried the original livery for a while? 

It looks from Paul Bartlett's site that a lot of them just had a yellow band daubed on the original livery, with the band cutting through the old lettering, the rest of which they didn't bother to paint out/remove - though I can't find any in your livery. 

[The Fatadder]

On 08/01/2024 at 17:44, sb67 said:

 

Thanks James. Do you know anything about their early liveries, would they all have been painted Dutch immediately or just converted and carried the original livery for a while? 

Various liveries, certainly with a lot of them not getting the yellow band.

Including original grey, engineers grey, ARC, Yeoman (with the remains of the old logos still showing through), along with dutch and dutch with Yeoman logos (with Mainline and Loadhaul coming later.)   As far as I can tell none ever gained EWS so its normally possible to work back to the pre privatisation livery (though there are various more recent patch painting jobs in 2000s photos).  

 

with plain grey wagons it difficult to tell between the original grey and faded engineers grey given the amount of fading / rust.

Edited January 10 by The Fatadder

[sb67]

@The Fatadder @Daddyman Thanks guys, I couldn't find any photo's of my livery either. I like the idea of just  painting a yellow stripe across the top so I recon I can apply rule 1 and do that and maybe leave another wagon in the original livery with the holes cut in the side. I'll have a look for some more photo's though. 

[James Makin]

22 hours ago, sb67 said:

@The Fatadder @Daddyman Thanks guys, I couldn't find any photo's of my livery either. I like the idea of just  painting a yellow stripe across the top so I recon I can apply rule 1 and do that and maybe leave another wagon in the original livery with the holes cut in the side. I'll have a look for some more photo's though. 

There was a good number with a livery that can be described as “rust, with yellow stripe” - this could be ideal for your one!

[sb67]

Added some rust to the one of the Seacows I varnished a couple of weeks ago. I made a paste of Matt varnish and rust powder and dabbed it on, then added a lighter rust colour on top and running in streaks downwards. Needs cleaning up a bit though looking at the photo! 

 

[sb67]

 

Started work on the other side of the wagon using Enamel paints and washes this time. 

 

 

[sb67]

I've put the seacow down for a while and worked on the Tope, trying to copy a photo this is as far as I've got. I might leave it there, maybe just a light coating of track colour on the underframe.

 

[sb67]

I've been working on the Dogfish trying to get the rust to look right.  Not too happy with it at the moment though, it's lacking something and doesn't look like the photo's I'm working from, maybe needs a bit of texture or the colours are not quite right. 

 

 

 

I much prefer the rust on the Seacow. 

 

[AlfaZagato]

What trips me up over your Dogfish is the body color not being far off your rust.   May help to pose one or two on your layout for a different lighting.  Workbench ambiance isn't always the best for judging finish.

[The Fatadder]

I think the dogfish looks convincing based on some of the photos I’ve seen (though by the late 90s I think there was more rust than green paint remaining7

[sb67]

On 09/02/2024 at 14:06, AlfaZagato said:

What trips me up over your Dogfish is the body color not being far off your rust.   May help to pose one or two on your layout for a different lighting.  Workbench ambiance isn't always the best for judging finish.

 

I'll do that. Part of the difficulty is the rust colour being close to the body colour, I find it's worse on bauxite liveries as there's not much at all to distinguish rust from body colour. 

 

On 09/02/2024 at 14:08, The Fatadder said:

I think the dogfish looks convincing based on some of the photos I’ve seen (though by the late 90s I think there was more rust than green paint remaining7

 

 Thank you, I've been working from photo's and many look like there is no paint left at all!

[sb67]

I've taken a few more photo's of the Dogfish, although I always struggle to get decent pics. The rust, even in prototype photo's, isn't too different from the body colour so I still don't think it stands out too well in a photo but I like the way they look in a train. I cant get the underframe to look quite like the photo but  I've added a few powders and next up a light spray of frame dirt over the underframe and that will be it. 

 

 

 

 

 

[griffgriff]

The think about bauxite is that it develops it’s own patina through bleaching and staining. Over time it ends up in a colour similar to the rust coming through it. I’ve seen wagons where the only way you can tell the weathered paintwork and rusty bodywork apart is by looking for textural differences; the rust being pitted and the paint being smooth.

 

Griff

[sb67]

On 24/02/2024 at 08:45, griffgriff said:

The think about bauxite is that it develops it’s own patina through bleaching and staining. Over time it ends up in a colour similar to the rust coming through it. I’ve seen wagons where the only way you can tell the weathered paintwork and rusty bodywork apart is by looking for textural differences; the rust being pitted and the paint being smooth.

 

Griff

 

That's a good point and very true! Same with black or olive-green engineers' wagons, it might be an idea to just add some texture when painting the rust and not worry too much about the difference in colours. I'm always wary of adding too much texture in 4mm scale though.