RMweb Premium Grafarman Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 19, 2014 So, if we click on an advert, it doesn't cost us anything, it doesn't cost RMweb anything and Warners & therefore Andy gets paid (more). Therefore, isn't there an onus on all of us to click on at least one advert per day ? Alternatively, offer a subscription rate of £10 a year with no Ads at all and all the advertisers listed in a designated area; at the current membership levels that ought to at least cover Andy's salary for a few months... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2014 Hi Mike, I don't think you understand Google ads. You may be seeing an ad for railway sleepers, but not everyone is. They are seeing an ad for something else, based on what information Google has hoovered up about them and thinks they might be persuaded to spend money on. Martin. Ah, that's interesting - and they would clearly have a problem with me due to all the different screen names I use plus the fact that if they attached my googling history to my internet sign-in they would be offering me sites flogging copies of acts of Parliament, items from Railway Group Standards, train times, and sales of old warships that were in many cases scrapped before I was born. Seems they just want to offer me sleepers but it's very clever of them to link my RMweb s/n with my totally different screen name which is used when I use Google, and which only shares two letters (the same letter twice in both cases) with my RMweb s/n. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsmlnx Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Therefore, isn't there an onus on all of us to click on at least one advert per day ? Aka click fraud and sure to see the wrath of Google and removal from their search engine. Not a good idea for any business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave47549 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 "sure to see the wrath of google and removal from their search engine" Ah, so there is a positive to be gained from clicking after all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Ah, that's interesting - and they would clearly have a problem with me due to all the different screen names I use... It's nothing to do with the names you use, Mike. Most internet tracking is done by placing unique cookies on your machine. To an extent they can be fooled by using different browsers, user accounts or even machines for different browsing activities as each will receive different cookies. Even so, you can't be completely sure as each machine behind your router will appear to the outside world as a single IP address. Anonymity is quite difficult to achieve. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Dunno; I'm just looking at the reports which show that they are clicked, quite often in fact. That'll be me then, if there is one thing I love more than model trains it is mature dates. Problem is I keep seeing these adverts for dates and I click on them thinking I will get to a health food site and I get all these pictures of single women posing with a not a single succulent date in sight. Disappointed, these adverts are not delivering what was implied in the banner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2014 Aka click fraud and sure to see the wrath of Google and removal from their search engine. Not a good idea for any business. I can't make sense of that. We are told that each of us will see a different ad, identified with our profiled interests. If each of us clicks an ad per day, as Stu suggests, there will therefore be no "pattern" to our clicks. This is quite unlike everyone on RMweb voting for Fred or Bill in an online poll etc. Perhaps you'd like to explain the mechanism in more detail? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Aka click fraud and sure to see the wrath of Google and removal from their search engine. Not a good idea for any business. Beat me to it, Ian... one person clicking a random ad a day. Fraud how exactly...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted April 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2014 Beat me to it, Ian... one person clicking a random ad a day. Fraud how exactly...? It's not the clicking, it's the suggesting that members should click them. Against the Google rules. Not fraud in the legal sense, but still damaging to Warners -- they won't get the Google income, and Google won't include RMweb in search results. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I can't make sense of that. We are told that each of us will see a different ad, identified with our profiled interests... You're right in that most click fraud detection looks for much cruder patterns such as large numbers of clicks on a single ad from a single IP address, or from machines on a subnet (i.e. a corporate LAN). However, we don't necessarily see different ads, for example, several folk have mentioned the one for railway sleepers. The ads coming from google that we see (if we're not blocking them) may be strongly filtered by the choices made by the admin when setting up the facility on a particular web site. In this case, the general railway interest of RMweb is probably the dominant factor in selecting ads, with our individual profiles only contributing a small part to the selection process. If you visited another specialist site you would probably see a quite different range of ads with only a few in common. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I'm disappointed about these adverts. I logged out hoping to see the mature single ladies, and all I got were adverts for rails and sleepers. They were also disappointing as the rails were for metal staircases and the sleepers seemed to be lacking in depth. Can I put in a request for some better adverts please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsmlnx Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 It's not the clicking, it's the suggesting that members should click them. Against the Google rules. Not fraud in the legal sense, but still damaging to Warners -- they won't get the Google income, and Google won't include RMweb in search results. Martin. Thank you Martin for explaining more about my post. #189. And "Click fraud" is the generic term used to describe various abuses of click through ads see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_fraud section labelled "No-contracting parties" point "friends of the publisher". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Thank you Martin for explaining more about my post. #189. And "Click fraud" is the generic term used to describe various abuses of click through ads see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_fraud section labelled "No-contracting parties" point "friends of the publisher". We have around 10,000 unique visitors a day to the site so there's no need for us to try and circumvent any natural process but once again someone chimes in with an irrelevance to make it sound as though the whole issue is something more sinister than it is. I'll close the topic off now as all that needs to be said has been said and I've got stuff to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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