RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 I noticed the ads and found them largely annoying because they were irrelevant. While I accept that Warners want to maximise revenue they also have to balance what the users want. It helps no one if users get p*ssed off with the GoogleAds and then install adblockers. We (DEMU) have advertised our show on here over the past couple of years and will do so again this year and there are many other advertisers who pay reasonable rates to advertise on here so there is clearly already an existing income stream from advertising. Warners have the difficult task of trying to keep the balance right for themselves (income and users), users (accepting relevant ads) and advertisers (users who will view relevant ads). Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Andy has changed it today. You see them only while logged out. If you stay logged in you won't see them. Martin. A good option, let's just keep it this way !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'd rather ensure that Andy earns a decent living... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 Agreed, those "important phone calls" are expensive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom J Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 This point about content generation is critical. RMWeb itself generates nothing. The users do. When you are selling the members' content to themselves, the cut you take must be proportionate or the whole thing falls down. A magazine pays for quality content, which it then sells. Maybe the more popular your content is, either you get an income, a discount off membership to remove ads, or just fewer ads? On the present trajectory I fail to see how RMweb will survive. The people generating the quality content will drift elsewhere with each new tier of commercialisation that gets overlaid. What is sorely missing in this brave new commercial world is like-for-like competition. Just imagine if a similarly reliable forum was set up and run from, say, South East Devon. Did I just utter that?!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 Why not set up this actual thread to include ads. That might give a better idea of what we may have to put up with experience. If it detracts from the debate on this subject, QED Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 The people generating the quality content will drift elsewhere with each new tier of commercialisation that gets overlaid. How will that work then, unless they find a totally altruistic zillionaire who is prepared to finance everything? I don't think there's many places to go without paying for them. One things for sure, everybody wants something for nothing, quite a rarity I would imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom J Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I don't want something for nothing. Someone who sells content back to the people who created it, however...? I am well aware of the costs of running RMweb, but Warners aren't in it to break even, or just make a modest return. Their imperatives are not those of the community. The protection would come from the fact that commercialising this forum leaves it open to market forces. There just aren't many at the moment, which is the problem. If RMweb had a genuine competitor, things might be very different. Content creation might even attain some value! Imagine multiple fora trading incentives for the services of the best contributors, as the magazines do? I'm not aspiring to that level of commercialisation. I do not receive payment for the content I create here; neither on that basis do I expect to pay a premium for the similarly-contributed content of others. I am open to paying to cover the costs of the method of delivery, which might be met by commercial means, including quality, meaningful, useful advertising, or a reasonable subscription. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 If anyone needs a Thai Bride I can give them a few links. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 Agreed, those "important phone calls" are expensive Ah, but they are also contributing to the Chancellor's income...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 If anyone needs a Thai Bride I can give them a few links. Yeah, I've had one offering dubious services from pretty Russian women, looking at my history my wife has been on a bridal site recently and I've been looking at places to visit in Moscow so its obviously put 2+2 together and made about 50! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Okay, I have revised my previous attitude based on what is now being delivered on each and every page in the form of advertising, and particularly that adds are being put at the bottom of each first post on a page. Very intrusive, and to me, especially with content that I have posted, totally unacceptable. So unless this changes, then very sorry, I'm off, and I will also attempt to remove all that I have put on here. Just won't tolerate this at any level. Just taken too far. Are you seeing Google Ads whilst you're logged in? If you are there's a technical issue I need to address; if you're not I'll just ask that you don't run around like a drama queen who's got the wrong end of the stick. What is sorely missing in this brave new commercial world is like-for-like competition. Just imagine if a similarly reliable forum was set up and run from, say, South East Devon. Did I just utter that?!! There's been competition before RMweb came to be and every point since; suffice to say that RMweb has continued to develop and grow through a combination of management of the site and members making use of the facilities to engage in a community. There's some world championship standard flouncing going on in this topic. RMweb would have ceased to be a long time ago if it weren't for the generosity of some of the membership and latterly a commercial organisation due to one thing; cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewC Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Sometimes life just gives you material Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Well, if you can't beat them, join them... so I've decided to try and generate some extra income by including discreet advertising every time I update my layout thread. Beta testing at the moment, no clicks required... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 thanks for that...I was feeling a bit left out as I haven't actually seen any ads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can't you move it to "Wheeltappers" or some other less useful area of RMWeb. I reckon the ads are put in the Hornby section as it is here most RMWeber's seem to be frothing at maximun output anyway, half of us probably don't even see the adds due to the bottom half of the screen being hidden behind mounds of froth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 There's some world championship standard flouncing going on in this topic. RMweb would have ceased to be a long time ago if it weren't for the generosity of some of the membership and latterly a commercial organisation due to one thing; cost. Brilliant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Makes me chuckle when I read these 'I'm off' comments. RMweb is hardly going to collapse if a few guys leave in a huff. This site is rich in information and inspiration and most of us recognise just how much is involved and what the running costs are likely to be. I'm in the 'ads are irritating camp' but it wouldn't stop me using RMweb as it's the best resource bar none, for our hobby. Personally I don't see the ads at all because of an ad blocker. It works really well and stops everything. I like to think we're in it for the longer term. Yes, there will be changes, some we may have trouble dealing with, but ultimately this is a good place to be, costs nothing and continues to give me inspiration. Cutting your nose off to spite your face seems a daft thing to do, but each to their own. Sometimes principles cut right across common sense…:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I'm generally viewing on my phone, are the adds still only at the bottom of a page, after the content? I know the ones at the top are shops and suppliers who we need to offer advertising at a reasonable rate to as a source of info for us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 Well, if you can't beat them, join them... so I've decided to try and generate some extra income by including discreet advertising every time I update my layout thread. Beta testing at the moment, no clicks required... loreal.jpg I must protest, that is not a proper ad or product placement - there isn't 'bus on the bridge. PS Nice bridge, probably look even better with an ad painted on the girders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I must protest, that is not a proper ad or product placement - there isn't 'bus on the bridge. PS Nice bridge, probably look even better with an ad painted on the girders. A bus on the bridge! Why didn't I think of that... it's not like it's ever been done before... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 This point about content generation is critical. RMWeb itself generates nothing. The users do. When you are selling the members' content to themselves, the cut you take must be proportionate or the whole thing falls down. A magazine pays for quality content, which it then sells. Maybe the more popular your content is, either you get an income, a discount off membership to remove ads, or just fewer ads? On the present trajectory I fail to see how RMweb will survive. The people generating the quality content will drift elsewhere with each new tier of commercialisation that gets overlaid. What is sorely missing in this brave new commercial world is like-for-like competition. Just imagine if a similarly reliable forum was set up and run from, say, South East Devon. Did I just utter that?!! You mean you don't know about the various other forums that are available already - or is it that none of them are 'right' for you? Simple answer is to start one yourself, run it the way you like and carry the costs until a few folk who also like it start chipping in; I believe the software is readily available and there are plenty of web hosting concerns around nowadays so it shouldn't present any difficulties. Judging by Andy's activities on here in the past (and nowadays) you then won't have to worry much about any other interests in life as your time will be fully devoted to your forum and making sure it is kept running properly, simples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can someone please point to a post containing such an Ad. I hadn't noticed anything different and I'd like to see for myself. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can someone please point to a post containing such an Ad. I hadn't noticed anything different and I'd like to see for myself. Hi Andy, Sign out, then come back to this very topic: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/84761-inappropriate-and-annoying-adverts/ See Google ad after first post and at bottom of page. You don't see them while signed in. Andy is testing ideas -- that's today's trial. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted April 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2014 I wouldn't mind the obviously untroubled life in which I have nothing better to do than moan about an ad at the bottom of a model railway forum. yes indeedy..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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