RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Remember my first Trains Illustrated annual - must have been about 1966 - every picture of an east coast Class 40 was either D252 or D272. Funny how locos haunted us isn't it? Phil Edited July 22, 2015 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted July 22, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2015 Hmmm - not from that part of the world - but was it Tyne Commission Quay Dave? Phil Tyne Commission Quay. The reason the Danish Embassy was on the North Bank of the Tyne. The Scandinavians put so much money into the Tyneside economy on their Ferry/Shopping trips. Lois Zolner was the one time ambassador. He introduced Icelandic ponies into the North East coalmines as they were much more adept at walking over broken ground than Galloway ponies. Porcy You're right, used for the boat trains for the ferries. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted July 22, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sorry, Dave, just going to bust into your thread following your Grassington pics. I was very pleased to be with an on-track machine, a CTM-32 if I remember rightly, on the Rylstone branch as we called it in the mid 70's. The machine: 20150617221439_05.jpg The view from the operating chair 20150617221439_04.jpg A very old signal post...... 20150617221439_11.jpg Taking a break during a heavy shift......... 20150617221439_10.jpg Phil, Many thanks, the photos are fascinating. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Many thanks for the Selby pics, many a happy day spent on those platforms as a boy. You and me alike. Just loved watching the Deltics blast through, the center lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The 4-car 104, in addition to the NE number pre-fix, also has an NER peculiarity in that the lower cream lining runs straight across the cab instead of being raised up to meet the lower edge of the cab windows. I suspect the 104 would have been through its first repaint when it has received the simplified thick side lining as also applied to some of the Class 101's during their first repaint. The side lining certainly looks thicker than the original as on this 104 at Shildon in 1963. That still doesn't answer the question as to why the lining round the brow looks original? Porcy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2015 Hi, Porcy Mane. Thank you for your reply about the class 104 lining. I think that you're right about the repainting, for I've also seen photo's of NER 104's with the top lining going straight across instead of up and over the top of the cab windows as in the photo' that you have just posted. The lining does appear thicker in the repaints. I wonder if the repainting would sometimes be ''local interpretations''? With Regards, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Strathwood Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 Remember my first Trains Illustrated annual - must have been about 1966 - every picture of an east coast Class 40 was either D252 or D272. Funny how locos haunted us isn't it? Phil Likewise how some avoided us, and D252 was one of my last 40s for some crazy reason, having been told on a number of times that I had just missed it at Kings Cross from fellow spotters at the platform ends. Then once I finally bagged it, of course it then became a pest... Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 Know what you mean Kevin - I never did manage to cop the fated D1866/47216/47299 - it was the only 47 I never saw with the exception of the two early scrappers. Perhaps I should have consulted a medium ? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Likewise how some avoided us, and D252 was one of my last 40s for some crazy reason, having been told on a number of times that I had just missed it at Kings Cross from fellow spotters at the platform ends. Then once I finally bagged it, of course it then became a pest... Kevin I went 15 years without seeing D252, despite frequent visits to the ECML in the 1960s. It was 1976 before I saw it, and even then it was on the GN&GE near Sleaford. As for 47299, it was banished to South Wales for many years in the 1980s which is why it was not easy to see. The loco spent most of its time hauling MGR trains around the loop at Aberthaw power station, taking over from pairs of 37s in the exchange sidings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 23, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2015 A few from Lancaster and Morecambe in 1972 today. Looking at these photos reminds me just how scruffy parts of BR had become in the early 1970s. Once again these were taken on a day out from Manchester when I was a student. As they were taken in May I must have been having a day off from revision for exams. Lancaster on left Class 101 for Morecambe, right Class 108 for Barrow 17th May 72 C953 Lancaster Class 40 294 down empty mineral 17th May 72 C958. Lancaster Class 50 402 down pass to Carlisle 17th May 72 C963 Morecambe Plasser and Theurer track machine 17th May 72 C949 Morecambe Class 108 in sidings, and track machine 17th May 72 C0952 David 33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B Exam Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I went 15 years without seeing D252, despite frequent visits to the ECML in the 1960s. It was 1976 before I saw it, and even then it was on the GN&GE near Sleaford. As for 47299, it was banished to South Wales for many years in the 1980s which is why it was not easy to see. The loco spent most of its time hauling MGR trains around the loop at Aberthaw power station, taking over from pairs of 37s in the exchange sidings. 47299 was always a Eastern Region loco until 1999. New to 41A 28/5/65, 30A 01/67, 34G 11/67, Immingham 09/69, Healey Mills 05/81, Immingham 10/81. Renumbered from 47216 2/11/81, Tinsley 06/91. Moved to Bescot 15/1/99. Withdrawn 16/04/99, Scrapped 21/10/99. Its unlikely to of been banished to South Wales working MGR trains to/from Aberthaw. It was in Crewe Works undergoing collision damage repairs 12/83-10/84. It was almost a daily visitor to my hometown of Nottingham on oil trains to/from the Humberside refineries during the 1970s/1980s. I lost count how many times we saw it at Nottingham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 Ah - she must always have been at the other end of the circuit when I visited Immingham or Nottingham then! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I will see your "ER loco until 1999" and raise you this photo of it at Aberthaw sidings in 1985. Unless of course there were two locos with the same number. I lived about a mile away from Aberthaw for a number of years and it was there for a similar number of years in the 1980s, as I saw it occasionally. It was hard to photograph properly because it spent most of its time on the MGR loop at the power station and without tresspassing on CEGB property it was difficult to get a photo of it in any other position than this. Edited July 23, 2015 by jonny777 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 Thanks Johnny 47s were pretty ubiquitous but being confined to one location would fit with why I never saw her Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Note the column of cloud on the horizon in the second photo. This was a regular sight on clear days, and developed from the warm moist air being emitted from Port Talbot steelworks about 30 miles away. However, on a windy day with the direction from the W or SW it just produced a thick brown line that stretched up the Bristol Channel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Looking at the 47299 gallery on the Class 47 site she certainly got around more in RFD days - plenty of earlier Humberside oil traffic there and also Aberthaw. Don't know how she avoided me..... Phil Edited July 23, 2015 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest B Exam Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I will see your "ER loco until 1999" and raise you this photo of it at Aberthaw sidings in 1985. 100882.jpg Unless of course there were two locos with the same number. I lived about a mile away from Aberthaw for a number of years and it was there for a similar number of years in the 1980s, as I saw it occasionally. It was hard to photograph properly because it spent most of its time on the MGR loop at the power station and without tresspassing on CEGB property it was difficult to get a photo of it in any other position than this. 100881.jpg Not disputing the fact of it visiting Aberthaw. There used to be a thrice weekly Lindsey-Aberthaw heavy fuel oil (Diesel) train. Now 47299 could quite of easily of worked it being based at Immingham! Used to run outbound Sun/Tue/Thur, back to Lindsey Mon/Wed/Fri. As the loco would more than likely sat spare during the day, it could of been used on the local MGR traffic. The Lindsey-Aberthaw heavy fuel oil still ran until quite recently running usually as 6Z94 Tues Only Lindsey-Aberthaw, 6Z95 Weds only return. 95% time it was a 66, occasionally a 60. Edited July 23, 2015 by B Exam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2015 Looking at the 47299 gallery on the Class 47 site she certainly got around more in RFD days - plenty of earlier Humberside oil traffic there and also Aberthaw. Don't know how she avoided me..... Phil Hi Phil I have had a lot of women do that to me as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry Dave, we have hi-jacked your excellent thread with our arguments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 23, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry Dave, we have hi-jacked your excellent thread with our arguments. I've enjoyed reading the comments. It's amazing how locos seemed to come and go in ones own area over the years. Perhaps now it's time to get back to the photos. Just to whet your appetites here are three photos of places we've not yet visited - there are a lot of other places still to look at. Sheringham GER 564 October 1977 C3591 Devils Bridge Vale of Rheidol 9 Prince of Wales taking water heavy rain 6th August 1979 C4710 Milford Junction 59206 up coal 29th May 1996 C20966 David 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 Heavy rain at Devil's Bridge? Surely not Dave!!! Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 Hi, Dave. A great set of photo's of Lancaster and Morecambe. It could that BR was a little run down in some ways in the early '70's. I wonder if this what was referred to as ''the crumbling edge of quality''? All the best, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Heavy rain at Devil's Bridge? Surely not Dave!!! Phil That's not heavy rain; you can still see the loco. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2015 I'd forgotten how odd the J15 looked in grey. As a former north Norfolk volunteer I look forward to seeing more photos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I think the J15 looks elegant in grey. Stratford had a history of painting locos grey for official (b&w) photographs. The most famous one is of the Decapod. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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