Sheffield Exchange, Toy trains, music and fun!

[Satan's Goldfish]

10 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Today I finished doing the basic cut and shut on the last Gresley coach in my recent LNER bash.

Train 1 now consist of BSK (4comp) /SK (all door) /CK (end door) /CK (locker)/ SK (GE shortie)/ BSK (3 Comp)+ RKB+BCK (2F-3S)

 

Train 2 is as follows BCK(3F-3S)/ CK (3 1/2F-4S)/ SK (end door)/ SK (all door)/SK (BR Mk1) / BSK (end door 4 comp) + RB + BCK (2F-2S)

 

Train 3 is made up of BSK (5comp)/ SK (end door)/ SK (Thomo)*/ SK (all door)/ CK (all steel long underframe)/ BFK (4comp) + RB (rebuilt RKB)+ BCK (2F-4S) 

* The Thompson coach is a Tri-ang one waiting to be made shorter and have rounded fillets added to the windows to make a late version of a Thompson coach.

 

The L1 is shunting three spare coaches, a CK (all steel shortie), a convertible second sleeper, and a rebuilt 1938 Flying Scotsman Buffet.

 

 

 

 

Nice work. Those sets sound like they're longer than 6 coaches 

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

That's a marathon painting session lined up for when the weather warms up.

 

It's Spring now, which means its colder than December/January here.

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, Satan's Goldfish said:

 

Nice work. Those sets sound like they're longer than 6 coaches 

All sets of mainline coaches are six carriages long. Three platforms can take seven coaches so I can either add a BCK or a Buffet if the train is going to platforms 4, 5 or 6. Therefore each set has an additional BCK and Buffet.

[muddy water]

On 03/03/2022 at 18:52, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi Chris

 

Yes

A period three RT converted to a Buffet M105M

 

T'other side.

 

A period two CK

 

Corridor side.

 

 

Lovely!

What diagram was the period 2 CK? I have some spare bodies, but no underframes/ 6wheeled bogies.

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, muddy water said:

Lovely!

What diagram was the period 2 CK? I have some spare bodies, but no underframes/ 6wheeled bogies.

Dia D1791.

[Clive Mortimore]

Over the next few weeks I will try and restore the missing images.

 

 

[Clive Mortimore]

Might as well start the renewal of RMweb and this thread with a new song by the lovely Angel Olsen

 

 

[Clive Mortimore]

I have restored as many photos as I could, those which were borrowed of the interweb haven't.

[Andrew P]

1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

I have restored as many photos as I could, those which were borrowed of the interweb haven't.

I can't be arsed, whats gone is gone, what comes back, comes back and I've moved on.

 

All the best mate.👍

[Clive Mortimore]

3 hours ago, Andrew P said:

I can't be arsed, whats gone is gone, what comes back, comes back and I've moved on.

 

All the best mate.👍

Hi Andy

 

I see we have differing ideas on restoring our photos. I felt for the purpose of my thread it would be better to show the nice coaches I have cut into bits and ruined to make other ones.

 

I fully support your lazy git approach as you feel that the best for you. 👍

 

Have you noticed my absence on your new thread about yet another model railway build? I have been reading it but cannot think of any new rude things to say about you and your train sets......it looks like you have beaten me. 😉

[woodenhead]

So there I was perusing YouTube when this chap Terry Miles pops up with his boogie woogie channel, he's a bit mad but his daughter would pop up time to time and she has her own channel.  She's a talented musician - keyboards, guitar and yukelele

 

[woodenhead]

Another quirky female, subtle hints at interests of a Gothic nature and a model builder of some skill.

 

Could be a new line in video content for your thread

 

 

[muddy water]

And what do you think of this?

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, muddy water said:

And what do you think of this?

All that lipstick.,..😃

[Clive Mortimore]

I might have posted this before. I am working on more carriages at the moment, when up on the rails I will take some pictures.

 

[Clive Mortimore]

Hi Lads and Ladesses

 

I am still about, no work on the train set but the carriage works has been busy, 11 more ex LNER gangway coaches and a CLC one, all different to what I have bodged before. They just need roofs before I share on here.

 

I have also cut and shut the sides for 14 non-gangway coaches from what was left over from the recent builds.

 

Waiting in the wings are some more coaches for cutting and shutting, Project T and Project T2.

 

Today I received two lovely books from Booklaw, part 2 of their BR Early Diesels in Colour, TOPS classes 37 to 55. Some wonderful photos of English Electric Type 3s and 4s, Peaks and at the back of the book locos that were never given a TOPS class, colour photos of green shunters 🤸‍♂️. I can put up with early Brush 4 photos but having so many books on Warships, Westerns and Deltics the photos didn't get me excited. Also they included class 50s, are they an early class?

 

The other book is David Larkin's latest volume of The Acquired Wagons of British Railways. Volume 4 is vans and containers, like his previous 3 volumes  there appears to be loads of information with a wide variety of wagon photos.

 

I will leave you with M I S S I S S I P P I

Turn up the volume.

Edited May 9, 2022 by Clive Mortimore

[Clive Mortimore]

In the above waffle I have mentioned I have the sides for 14 non gangway coaches. The thought of hand cutting the ends for them and a few other coaches in the pipe line  was not one I was relishing. So I took the bull by the horns and fired up my Portrait Cutter. It only scratched the surface of the sheet of 40 thou I offered it, so I had a go with 2 sheets of 20 thou and will laminate two together. The junction of the curved part to the straight of the side needs a few strokes with a file to correct it and I made a measurement mistake and made them 1mm too long, easily sorted.

 

The roof is only plonked on but it gives me an idea how these will work out. The coach is a dia 51 composite, there is no RTR model or  kit (I checked MJT, Worsely Works and Comet), not as common as the dia 50 composite lavatory which everyone makes but still built in enough numbers that a kit manufacture would hopefully sell.

 

The First class compartments were wider than the normal LNER width and the Third (later Second) was narrower hence the multi-cut and shut.

Roofs are cut for the mainline coaches, they just need final fitting.

 

There have been quite a few new releases, I will leave you two I enjoyed the other day. 

 

 

 

[Clive Mortimore]

Still working on my coaches. I did run some trains tonight, the Hugues Baltic Tank on a set of cut and shut Gresley's and a Type 3 on another set. The B16/2 was given a check over as it wasn't running very well couldn't see anything obvious, so put the body back on .....off it pootled, nearly as noisy as these chaps,

 

[30368]

I wan't a 6 litre GTR... but do I really need one?

 

Have not looked in for a while Clive, brilliant stuff on all fronts...

 

Hope you are well and a big thanks,

 

Richard B

[Clive Mortimore]

Project T has reached a point where it is now on its wheels. There is still (as normal) loads to do on the bodies, roofs (which moved when photographed) and the under gubbins.

 

T stood for Triplet Restaurant. It is a 1928 set to save me doing the insert doors on the ends. I used three Hornby shortie sleeper cars and some spare bits.

 

The corridor side, Second Class coach on the left.

 

The kitchen side, First Class carriage on the left.

 

The First class carriage.

 

The Second Class coach.

 

The Kitchen Car, kitchen side.

 

Kitchen Car, corridor side.

 

I am not sure how I can use this on Sheffield Exchange.

 

I better finish the roofs on the other gangway stock, there are another 6 catering cars out of 12 coaches and further three could be used for dinning. The LNER seemed to like feeding their passengers.

[great northern]

18 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Project T has reached a point where it is now on its wheels. There is still (as normal) loads to do on the bodies, roofs (which moved when photographed) and the under gubbins.

 

T stood for Triplet Restaurant. It is a 1928 set to save me doing the insert doors on the ends. I used three Hornby shortie sleeper cars and some spare bits.

 

The corridor side, Second Class coach on the left.

 

The kitchen side, First Class carriage on the left.

 

The First class carriage.

 

The Second Class coach.

 

The Kitchen Car, kitchen side.

 

Kitchen Car, corridor side.

 

I am not sure how I can use this on Sheffield Exchange.

 

I better finish the roofs on the other gangway stock, there are another 6 catering cars out of 12 coaches and further three could be used for dinning. The LNER seemed to like feeding their passengers.

That takes cutting and shutting to a whole new level, absolutely brilliant. it is going to have to be painted though, oh yes.

[Clive Mortimore]

19 hours ago, great northern said:

That takes cutting and shutting to a whole new level, absolutely brilliant. it is going to have to be painted though, oh yes.

Thanks Gilbert.

 

Keeping on the catering theme, E9154, the only dia 185 Buffet. It was rebuilt from a dia 27A as the prototype of well known dia 167 buffets.

The counter and kitchen side.

 

The corridor side.

Big thanks to Steve (31A) for the photo he sent me of the counter side.

 

Now the more common dia 167, I have knocked up a refurbished 167, this is as built. I know Horny make it, Comet do a kit and if you can get hold of it the Kirk kit is also this type of coach......where is the fun in opening a box.

The counter-kitchen side.

 

The corridor side

 

Next up two I will run as a pair when I lengthen a train to seven coaches, I will remove one of the CKs from a standard six coach train.

 

In the early 50s BR rebuilt the three remaining dia 16 RS into kitchen buffets RKB. This is the second one I am making (one day Gilbert will get his). I have paired it with a semi open first, these had three seating bays for dinning purposes and four compartments for first class passengers and used in trains where full dining wasn't that great.

 

The RKB kitchen- counter side.

RKB corridor side, many LNER catering cars looked very similar on the corridor side.

 

The semi FO from the dinging end of the compartment side.

 

Now the other end showing the compartments.

 

The corridor side, note the 4 ft wide windows on the dinging end and 4 ft 6ins on the corridor.

 

Last catering vehicles are two for the LNER set used for the "Yorkshire Scotsman". They are a restaurant first and a pantry second open.

The kitchen side, this is a dia 10C with electric cooking.

 

The corridor side of the RF, see how similar it is to that of the dia 16 RKB.

 

The Pantry Second Open. My logic said the pantry should be coupled to the kitchen end of the RF. I was visiting Peterborough North and Gilbert had the pantries of his RSP the opposite end. I didn't say anything as I know how much attention Gilbert places on his train formations. So when I got home I down loaded a couple of GN mainline train formation books off Rober Carroll's wonderful BR coaching Stock group and yes the pantry is the opposite end to the kitchen. 

 

The corridor side of the RSP

 

The pantry end of the RSP.

 

So six out of twelve coaches on my last bash are catering. Now for the other coaches of the "Yorkshire Scotsman"

 

[5BarVT]

Someone’s been a busy boy!

Paul.

[Clive Mortimore]

The "Yorkshire Scotsman" coaches.

 

We will start at the posh end.

The compartment side of the only end door BFK that the LNER built, E1541E, it was supposed to be E11114E in the 1943 renumbering but like many East Coast stock it retained its East Coast number.

 

The corridor side.

 

It is coupled with an end door FK.

The corridor side. When I made the end door CK I moaned that the window spacing on the corridor side was not the same as on a end door SK despite both designs having 9 windows and these windows do not line up with the compartments. Well would you Adam and Eve it the FK has the same spacing as the SK.

The FK compartment side. This coach was not on my plan of new coaches, the semi FO was going to be the main first class coach for the train. I was left with quite a few spares including bits off a sleeper. I noticed the double windows if the bit between them was lopped out made 4 ft compartment windows. The FK was born, and I think it is more fitting than the semi FO in such a prestigious train.

 

What will the proletariat travel in, well not cramped compartments or  the 2 by 2 seating of a TSO but the more comfortable 2 by 1 seating of SOs and a BSO. All three next designs could be used for dinning , when used as general service the diagrams state the seating should be 3 on the big seats and one on the little seat. Not too sure if that was the practice in BR days.

 

A SO, this is to dia 27A, this side had luggage racks opposite the toilet.

The other side showing the toilet.  This design was used for dinning and some were labeled Restaurant Car, this will not be one of them.

 

The other SO is a GE section shortie to dia 182. It ended up in this train as it was the only spare SO in the carriage sidings when the booked SO had to be taken out for repair. No one told the ticket offices that it was missing one and a half seating bays causing all sorts of problems for people who had reserved seats that didn't exist.

It was basically a shorter version of the dia 27

 

This is the brake version, dia 135.

 

[Clive Mortimore]

Last of the 12 is the CLC second open M999M

 

Both sides were the same, by the time era I model the lower sides had be plated over, so I have filed off the beading. The doors and upper sides retained their beading.

 

So out of 12 coaches modelled, six are catering , three more could be used for dinning, three are one offs and some the others were only made in twos and threes. O better hide my LNER coach books as there are still types not modelled.