robertcwp Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 The weight issue on these is easily rectified , do what all the American modal manufacturers do with 'skeletal' type freight wagons like these and make the frames out of cast metal type material. Bachmann already done this on their more modern container flat varieties anyway so this shouldn't be a problem. They are doing the frames in cast metal. I handled a sample one at the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2017 I don't know what the RRP will be but according to Hatton's website, it would set you back £212.34 to create a single set of 5 (3 FFA and 2 FGA). Considering they would run in very long rakes of 3 sets or longer you would be looking at £637 to create something of a reasonable length. Lets hope that Wild Boar Fell revisits his plans from 2014 to produce them. Makes Colin Craig's (currently unavailable) kits seem a bargain. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47164 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Makes the triang / Hornby ones look a total bargain , and que some easy modelling to produce the end plates and buffers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 That's the shame about the Bachmann announcements in their catalogues, they have photos of real stock and vague descriptions of what the models might feature but, no solid this will have X number of XXft containers in XXXXXXXX livery. If I knew this I would have placed an order. The plus side is I have loads of time to save up. In the meantime should I be buying C-Rail containers to replace the Bachmann unknown livery ones or just wait to see what Bachmann produce and hope the C-Rail Railfreight containers will still be available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcyg Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Think I'll be cancelling my order for them. Far too rich for my pocket. I'll stick with the Hornby ones for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Makes Colin Craig's (currently unavailable) kits seem a bargain. Mike. Although if they are unavailable I'm not sure that they qualify as a bargain Makes the triang / Hornby ones look a total bargain , and que some easy modelling to produce the end plates and buffers. An excellent solution, they may not make ultra fine scale models but some relatively straightforward good old fashioned modelling can produce a very enjoyable set of flats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2017 Although if they are unavailable I'm not sure that they qualify as a bargain . It would only take a few phone calls, hence the currently. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Wow, just seen the price in REx modeller..... WBF, are you going to carry on with yours?! Just a quick Google and the most expensive Bachmann fia pair came up at £40, I know prices are rising but the fga pair are more than doubling that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Wow, just seen the price in REx modeller..... WBF, are you going to carry on with yours?! Just a quick Google and the most expensive Bachmann fia pair came up at £40, I know prices are rising but the fga pair are more than doubling that. The Dapol IDA's have shot up in price as well, similar type wagons and now at £37 per set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I think the Dapol £37 is for a pair of vehicles. Bachmann's look as if they are £42 (ish) for a single inner and £84 (ish) for a pair of outers. Similar type of wagon. Half the price. What's that all about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I think the Dapol £37 is for a pair of vehicles. Bachmann's look as if they are £42 (ish) for a single inner and £84 (ish) for a pair of outers. Similar type of wagon. Half the price. What's that all about? Aah, but you get a couple of containers thrown in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 Somewhat belatedly here's a couple of pics I took of the EP sample. Nicely weighted. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Given the anticipated cost, I wonder how feasible it would be to have the majority of a train composed of tarted up Hornby (or in my case, Triang-Hornby) examples, loaded with containers, and a couple of unladen Bachmann examples to show off the intricate detail? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Dimensionally the Tri-ang model wasn't too bad. It was fairly straightforward to lower it slightly, add extra details and end buffers (if appropriate). Think I wrote an article in Scale Models Trains about it many, many moons ago. The Bachmann models look the business, but I'll be sticking with my Tri-ang Freightliner flats. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Dimensionally the Tri-ang model wasn't too bad. It was fairly straightforward to lower it slightly, add extra details and end buffers (if appropriate). Think I wrote an article in Scale Models Trains about it many, many moons ago. The Bachmann models look the business, but I'll be sticking with my Tri-ang Freightliner flats. It was probably that article that inspired me to do my first upgrade; later, Mendip Models did a kit, which is still available from S-Kits (usual disclaimer) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 They do look very beautiful though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yes they do. And rather more worth the asking price than Drax hoppers. IMHO, natch. Steep, but I'll be sorely tempted. The kits maybe less expensive to buy. But the spend isn't over once you have it. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Dimensionally the Tri-ang model wasn't too bad. It was fairly straightforward to lower it slightly, add extra details and end buffers (if appropriate). Think I wrote an article in Scale Models Trains about it many, many moons ago. The Bachmann models look the business, but I'll be sticking with my Tri-ang Freightliner flats. Think I still have that article along with a few others of yours I've recently passed on to my Godson. Cheers Trailrage Edited January 23, 2017 by TRAILRAGE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 It was probably that article that inspired me to do my first upgrade; later, Mendip Models did a kit, which is still available from S-Kits (usual disclaimer) If anyone's interested in going down the S-Kits route, here's my effort on my blog from last year: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/257/entry-17631-ffafga-container-flats-paint-and-decals/ Those Bachmann images do look very tasty. I'm not terribly surprised at the expense, given the complexity of the skeletal design compared to some other container wagon types. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 With the easy availability of the excellent C-Rail containers I'd wonder how much of a difference in price there would be if the flats were just offered on their own without containers. They could potentially pair up inside a single box perhaps and that could reduce costs elsewhere in the supply chain too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) I'm looking for strictly 1970s containers for my rake. Photographic material from that period on the web is scarce, although the working I'm interested in was photographed well in the mid 1980s. Specifically looking at the Danygraig-Stratford working that passed through Bristol mid evening, and its return the following morning. Without any information on what containers Bachmann will provide, I'm assuming it will be over a broad operational period, some liveries of which will certainly be later than the 70s. There are several candidates in the C-rail range which may suit (I recall seeing P&O and Bell containers for example). However going just from memory is a dangerous precedent. Is there any information on what time period the C-rail containers were used? They don't produce the original BR freighliner container which was certainly widespread mid 1970s. However private owner containers were becoming common in the mid-1970s. A nice document here on BRs freightliner service http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BRB_Freight1965.pdf Neil Edited January 24, 2017 by Downendian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted January 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2017 I'm looking for strictly 1970s containers for my rake. Photographic material from that period on the web is scarce, although the working I'm interested in was photographed well in the mid 1980s. Specifically looking at the Danygraig-Stratford working that passed through Bristol mid evening, and its return the following morning. Without any information on what containers Bachmann will provide, I'm assuming it will be over a broad operational period, some liveries of which will certainly be later than the 70s. There are several candidates in the C-rail range which may suit (I recall seeing P&O and Bell containers for example). However going just from memory is a dangerous precedent. Is there any information on what time period the C-rail containers were used? They don't produce the original BR freighliner container which was certainly widespread mid 1970s. However private owner containers were becoming common in the mid-1970s. A nice document here on BRs freightliner service http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BRB_Freight1965.pdf Neil I'd like to know about the Bell containers as well as one or more of the pics in the books I mention in my blog shows them in 1980s trains. They're a striking design, so good for a bit of colour and variety. CAST containers seem to show up in early 1980s rakes - I wonder when they became widespread? CTI containers seem to be a given for any 1970s train, and you can make them from the C-Rail kits and decals. I'd love to go back in time to the school trip to France we did in 1979, from Southampton Docks, with a decent digital camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 For anyone interested in researching boxes, can I suggest having a dig through this subforum for inspiration, it'll take you to several useful threads: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/forum/243-intermodalcontainers/The Bachmann 20' dry box looks from the photo above to be a 'modern' style one with bevelled corrugations and no logo panels, that would be applicable (depending on livery) starting from the 80s to the end of the flat's life (and beyond) - but isn't going to be as useful for 60s/70s modellers (though no single container tooling would really be suitable to represent the whole span of these wagon's lives). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 A good model of the older 'smooth' 8ft tall boxes would be nice. But there's so many build variations of those I imagine it'd be tough to settle on just 1 to cover multiple operators. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I'd like to know about the Bell containers as well as one or more of the pics in the books I mention in my blog shows them in 1980s trains. They're a striking design, so good for a bit of colour and variety. CAST containers seem to show up in early 1980s rakes - I wonder when they became widespread? CTI containers seem to be a given for any 1970s train, and you can make them from the C-Rail kits and decals. I'd love to go back in time to the school trip to France we did in 1979, from Southampton Docks, with a decent digital camera. not sure if this helps much http://www.irishships.com/bell_lines.html 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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