SRman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Yes and no, farren. The wagons date from around 1964/65 onwards, and even Hornby's dated model was introduced around 1966 or thereabouts. That gives a little overlap in the steam era to the end of steam in 1968.However, the wagons were air braked and only diesels or electrics so fitted would be seen hauling them. They could be seen side by side with steam.EDIT: Sorry about the double post earlier - I have now deleted the other one. Edited July 22, 2014 by SRman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not being particular ofay with this wagon would I be able to run some in the late steam era on the midland line as they are a rather distinctive wagon. Prototypically only if hauled by an air braked diesel loco - or run as an unfitted movement But of course you can always chose to apply the Its My Railway rule Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted July 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not being particular ofay with this wagon would I be able to run some in the late steam era on the midland line as they are a rather distinctive wagon. Look out for a limited edition non corridor brake coach for the the early days of operation. The unions took a little time to convince that fitted freight trains could run without a guard riding in a seperate van. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Ergh, more wallet abuse coming I fear... I model the late 80s/early 90s and wanted an appropriate container wagon RTR but I don't know too much about them. Would I be able to mix and match the Freightliner containers and the maritime ones in the same rake or were they strictly kept separate? I'd like to know before I place a preorder! Edited July 21, 2014 by sub39h Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Erm, not totally (Shameless plug) There are my 1980's ones and there are Knightwings kits too. Do I understand from this that Bachmann aren't going to make them in their original condition with the BR developed locking arrangement (Pre ISO)[/quotle] I'm not yet convinced by the quality of 3D prints (key word being yet) and the Knighwing products are a little crude by modern standards and the product range is limited so for now I stand by my comments. I know seeing for yourself would be the proof required, however having now worked alot now with both rtr containers and 3d print containers i have to say that 3d prints do come out just as well as the big manufacturer ones do. the process seems to lend itself nicely to the 'details' of containers, whilest large 3d objects seem to require smoothing down and other attention i've not found this with containers. The link here is to some i've done from WBM along side C-rail, Bachmann, and Hornby containers, other than decorating all they've received was a soapy bath first: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/50852-3d-printed-warwell-now-includes-other-wagons-military-industrial/?p=1512772 Looking forward to seeing what containers Bachmann create for this and whether they'll be the correct height this time! Edit: stupid internet!!! Edited July 21, 2014 by Satan's Goldfish 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted July 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2014 Boxes seem to be an undernourished subject as far as models and research matter goes. It's very difficult to find period photos of them compared to other freight stock. Even PBs site is a little thin (no complaints ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I know seeing for yourself would be the proof required, however having now worked alot now with both rtr containers and 3d print containers i have to say that 3d prints do come out just as well as the big manufacturer ones do. the process seems to lend itself nicely to the 'details' of containers, whilest large 3d objects seem to require smoothing down and other attention i've not found this with containers. The link here is to some i've done from WBM along side C-rail, Bachmann, and Hornby containers, other than decorating all they've received was a soapy bath first: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/50852-3d-printed-warwell-now-includes-other-wagons-military-industrial/?p=1512772 Looking forward to seeing what containers Bachmann create for this and whether they'll be the correct height this time! Edit: stupid internet!!! (OT) Love the Stark Industries ones - looks like it wasn't just me that saw that film and thought they'd make a good model! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ergh, more wallet abuse coming I fear... I model the late 80s/early 90s and wanted an appropriate container wagon RTR but I don't know too much about them. Would I be able to mix and match the Freightliner containers and the maritime ones in the same rake or were they strictly kept separate? I'd like to know before I place a preorder! I think Freightliner had largely pulled out of the domestic market (and hence their own containers) by the late 1980s; they certainly axed a lot of terminals, including Swansea, Dudley, Follingsby (Newcastle), Edinburgh, Dundee and Aberdeen, around that period. I'd wait to see what boxes are going to be produced; the style with no twist-locks, and horizontal ribs, like those Hornby've sold over the years, had gone off to a second life as builders' sheds by the early 1970s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Some of the buffer fitted wagons were vacuum piped as FGB's but no idea as to numbers. ISTR observing some in the 60146x / 60148x range. (and I'm not confusing these with 601999). Edited July 21, 2014 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Cue picture of a Freightliner train...... The evening Nottm - Coatbridge service passes Toton in the mid 1980s behind a "Peak". Being a domestic Freightliner working, many of the containers are in one of the various Freightliner livery schemes. Edited July 21, 2014 by Western Sunset 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted July 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2014 Not being particular ofay with this wagon would I be able to run some in the late steam era on the midland line as they are a rather distinctive wagon. I've seen a photo of an 8F heading a brand new Freightliner train but I've no idea of the specific circumstances involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (OT) Love the Stark Industries ones - looks like it wasn't just me that saw that film and thought they'd make a good model! still o/t (last one) I've done 3 stark containers of various eras so far with more to do. They were my sons idea, I'll put them on my 'container' thread in the intermodal forum for you at some point. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted July 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2014 Well that's good news Bachmann got a sale or 4 out of me then. I do have a few diesel locos thanks for the help people Back to the people that know what they are taking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34040 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) This was the best news from the Bachmann announcement, as far as I was concerned. Hattons are showing the FFAs as packs of two, rather than singly as Andy suggests. Having singles or packs of three is a far more sensible idea, given that most of the wagons were in 5 sets but I can sense the words "gift","horse" and "mouth" forming in members' minds so I will admit that having to put up with buying pairs of FFAs is a minor irritation compared with the chance to replace the old Triang wagons for those of us modelling BR circa 1970. Maybe, if these sell well, we can look forward to a decent model of a Morris crane to replace the Triang toy one. I know that this is available as a downloadable card kit but something more solid would be preferable. Have just noticed that there will be a suitable crane added to the Scenecraft range. My cup runneth over. Edited July 22, 2014 by 34040 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Do Bachmann do mortgages? I'm going to need (another) one at this rate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Actually two pairs of outers and three pairs of inners would make up a 10 car rake for those with the space - but I agree single sales would probably be more popular. I thought though the original announcement suggested the inners would be singles? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2014 Yes both the announcement and the Bachmann price list (although listed as price TBA) lists the outers as being supplied as pairs and the inners singularly. 38-625 Twin Pack FGA container flats (with outer end buffers) with ISO containers 38-626 Single FFA container flat (inner vehicle) with ISO containers 38-627 Twin Pack FGA container flats (with outer end buffers) with Maritime containers 38-628 Single FFA container flat (inner vehicle) with Maritime containers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The wagons date from around 1964/65 onwards, and even Hornby's dated model was introduced around 1966 or thereabouts. That gives a little overlap in the steam era to the end of steam in 1968. I seem to remember that (Tri-ang)-Hornbys boast when they introduced the freightliner wagon was that their wagon was running on the model railways of Britain before the prototype was running on the real thing. Maybe Bachmann would consider this container if they do the non turnlock version of the FFA/FGA. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightliner/h3b0d3e38#h3b0d3e38 A photograph appeared with it loaded on the end of a container train in the contemporary railway press at the time of the Guards dispute. (Modern Railways I think) Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClikC Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Well, I've been asking for these for years! Hopefully if they are up to scratch, and not as compremised as the old Hornby offering (i.e. we'll see plenty of 'air'), I'll probably be buying these by the pallet load. Hopefully Colin Craig will be able to supply 'detailing' etch sprues from his fabulous kits, and even perhaps use his sprung bogies on these. These will massively accelorate my future project plans, as I wasn't looking forward to having to batch build the required number of colin's kits for all the rakes I'd like to model. At worst these will probably be best for fully 'loaded' rakes, and colin's kits reserved for parcally loaded or empty rake, either way a much welcomed! ClikC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45059 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I completely agree with you ClikC. Now I just need some cartic 4s to be announced as well!! (Please?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34040 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 In the early seventies, there was a shortage of FGAs and many of the sets ran as tens. However, these were quickly converted to fives as soon as FGAs became available, due to their flexibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Theres alot more possibilities than just boxes for these http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BRB_Freight1965.pdf http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer/h38b7c1d0#h38b7c1d0 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfreightlinercontainer/h39d1570e#h39d1570e This could be the gift that keeps on giving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Am I correct in thinking that in the early/mid 80's single wagons were added on to the rear of some passenger services? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 22, 2014 Am I correct in thinking that in the early/mid 80's single wagons were added on to the rear of some passenger services? Paul Wasn't it for Aberdeen-Inverness services? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Singles (double ended FGAs) were used in Scotland, I want to say there was either 2 or 5 of them but it's been a while since I've read up on the fleet. LTSV database had a good bio in the FFA/FGA sets which covered use and make up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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