miles73128 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Quote from Rail Exclusive Northern Belle brochure, "Permission for Horny to produce any further Northern Belle Class 47s has been withdrawn, including any already announced but not yet released". R3134 and R4539 Northern Belle now in stock at dealers........... So that’s going to be an interesting conversation……………………. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Quote from Rail Exclusive Northern Belle brochure, "Permission for Horny to produce any further Northern Belle Class 47s has been withdrawn, including any already announced but not yet released". R3134 and R4539 Northern Belle now in stock at dealers........... So that’s going to be an interesting conversation……………………. It probably is only the Horny ones that are the problem, so these others from the Red Box team should be okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 "Permission for Horny to produce any further Northern Belle Class 47s has been withdrawn, including any already announced but not yet released". This was discussed at length elsewhere and was probably just a stupid marketing by RE and was just to boost sales. Hyped up un-necessarily. RE are just playing with words uselessly. Some comments from various memebers before: - "Personally I find RE's language concerning the Hornby model and their not being allowed to produce any more pretty churlish." - "I agree with the comment on the Hornby reference, I don't really like comments like that on product web sites regardless of which supplier it is or who they're having a go at." - "RE are doing what most people do, they still try to compare models that are aimed at two totally different ends of a spectrum. The railroad version is aimed for kids. As what Hornby said about the incorrect number and lack of branding is that there was no need to pay the full fee for something that never was intended for collectors. Personally I see the sense in that." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgilbert2 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 ummm The Hornby Northern Belle (ex lima) pack was finally released today and now available at retailers. So much for the statement "including any already announced but not yet released". Personally I'm pleased for Hornby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Hornby have said: Just arrived - Hornby Northern Belle Train Pack and Coach Pack We’ve been working really hard behind the scenes at Hornby HQ to improve our delivery dates, and we’re excited to announce the arrival of the Northern Belle Train and Coach pack two weeks early. Not really true is it? I make it 104 weeks late! Lol. Is it me or is there three lines under the Northern Belle logo on the loco? Pic on Hornby site. Seeing as this is all old models, ex-Airfix coaches and ex-Lima loco, should this pack be described as 'Railroad' standard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Hornby have said: Just arrived - Hornby Northern Belle Train Pack and Coach Pack We’ve been working really hard behind the scenes at Hornby HQ to improve our delivery dates, and we’re excited to announce the arrival of the Northern Belle Train and Coach pack two weeks early. Not really true is it? I make it 104 weeks late! Lol. Is it me or is there three lines under the Northern Belle logo on the loco? Pic on Hornby site. Seeing as this is all old models, ex-Airfix coaches and ex-Lima loco, should this pack be described as 'Railroad' standard? It is because their revised delivery date was put back to mid-August when I asked them two months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 The Northern Belle Class 47 from their train pack actually looks rather nice. Yes it does lack detail but the livery is just crisp. Infact with a bit of detailing it will look great... Just needs wire handrails, etched grilles, some buffer beam detail and glazing and I would be happy with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgilbert2 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It does look good the photo. Does it have any working lights? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It does look good the photo. Does it have any working lights? Sadly no... But good to know that "Express Models" make a lighting kit (EXHT67W) that is easy to install from what I've heard. "Replica" make the replacement high intensity headlights (RA105). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Even though the Ex Lima 47 is now well old in the detail stakes it is still I believe a very good representation of this class of loco, so glad they did not resurect the old Hornby model !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 To be precise, it needs more than etches and handrails - it requires the cab-floor/ buffer-beam cowl corrosion mods, which are probably the most obvious divergence from prototype fidelity. I agree the paint/ print finish is excellent - regrettably the cabside decoration doesn't have the same geometry as the prototype, per the photo below. Possibly some reduction in the yellow wrap-round would address this. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Northern_Belle_Class_47,_47790_%22Galloway_Princess%22,_Crewe_railway_station_(geograph_4019876).jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 To be precise, it needs more than etches and handrails - it requires the cab-floor/ buffer-beam cowl corrosion mods, which are probably the most obvious divergence from prototype fidelity. I agree the paint/ print finish is excellent - regrettably the cabside decoration doesn't have the same geometry as the prototype, per the photo below. Possibly some reduction in the yellow wrap-round would address this. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Northern_Belle_Class_47,_47790_"Galloway_Princess",_Crewe_railway_station_(geograph_4019876).jpg As well as the cab fronts requiring the former Stratford now Eastleigh Class 47 knack of plating over the former Headcode panels - Hornby should have a Class 47 bodyshell as Lima did do a smooth fronted 47 in their range in the past. Even though the Ex Lima 47 is now well old in the detail stakes it is still I believe a very good representation of this class of loco, so glad they did not resurect the old Hornby model !!! Very much what I was thinking - the ex Lima class 47 was one of Lima's relatively decent models and Hornby have very slightly upgraded this to bring it up to Modern standards, the upgraded chassis with new motor and DCC Compatibility being worth enough as it is for me (I've got a few of the ex Blue Pullman 47 chassis running under Lima bodies now). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
58050 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 My favourite aspect of the livery? Unlike '47862', they got the number right this time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgilbert2 Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 My favourite aspect of the livery? Unlike '47862', they got the number right this time! Ouch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 43300 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Ouch The first (Railroad) one Hornby did in NB livery was overall crap in pretty much every way! In addition to using the old Hornby tooling, which is much inferior to the ex-Lima one, it had the wrong number, no name and was missing half of the branding which the real locos carry (to avoid licensing costs?) One of the 'real' locos has now been permanently withdrawn and there is talk of DRS repainting two of the 57/3s they have just acquired from NR into Northern Belle livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgilbert2 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Could someone who now has the Northern Belle train pack check this; On the Belvoir coach, bottom left, it says "Pullman" on both sides of the coach. However, on the Chatsworth it only says "Pullman" on one side of the coach, is that right or has the printing been missed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Even though the Ex Lima 47 is now well old in the detail stakes it is still I believe a very good representation of this class of loco, so glad they did not resurect the old Hornby model !!! Except (as discussed on previous threads) they did for the 'Railroad' model released last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Walker Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Could someone who now has the Northern Belle train pack check this; On the Belvoir coach, bottom left, it says "Pullman" on both sides of the coach. However, on the Chatsworth it only says "Pullman" on one side of the coach, is that right or has the printing been missed? Looks like you have a duff coach. All my coaches have Pullman on both sides, including Chatsworth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgilbert2 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Thanks Tony, confirmed as faulty by Hornby as well now. Have had to return the train pack for replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plarailfan Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 That could have made £ zillions on Ebay. I can imagine it now - L@@K, RARE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgilbert2 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 OH NOOOOO!!!!! missed opportunity, unique, specially made Chatsworth coach - starting price £499 - BARGAIN! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIntercityhst Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 The first (Railroad) one Hornby did in NB livery was overall crap in pretty much every way! In addition to using the old Hornby tooling, which is much inferior to the ex-Lima one, it had the wrong number, no name and was missing half of the branding which the real locos carry (to avoid licensing costs?) One of the 'real' locos has now been permanently withdrawn and there is talk of DRS repainting two of the 57/3s they have just acquired from NR into Northern Belle livery. yep, 47832 suffered a turbocharger explosion, blew into 7 pieces, all which ended up in the cylinders. So 47832 will be in need of an engine rebuilt before it can run again! The model doesn't look all to bad, 2 things that it will need is the orange multiple working socket and also the class 57-style etched grilles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 yep, 47832 suffered a turbocharger explosion, blew into 7 pieces, all which ended up in the cylinders. So 47832 will be in need of an engine rebuilt before it can run again! The model doesn't look all to bad, 2 things that it will need is the orange multiple working socket and also the class 57-style etched grilles. Wasnt running on one of those old Lima pancake motors then was it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Couldn't have been, Sulzer lumps are very reliable, only beaten by Lima pancake bogies. They'll keep running and running and running! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The model doesn't look all to bad, 2 things that it will need is the orange multiple working socket and also the class 57-style etched grilles. Is that all? If you don't order the RAIL EXCLUSIVE NB pair pretty sharpish, before the last few are sold, you'll only be able to get this one, then you'll find out what's really needed. Kind regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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