34theletterbetweenB&D Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 I think the gap between the bogie and frame looks OK, it is the see through nature of the gap which is potentially going to cause some dismay. As I say my own opinion is that this is an issue if you look at a side elevation ... The requirement to get what is a large 4-6-0 to reliably traverse the reverse curve of radius 2 points defines what we see. There simply has to be that clearance for the bogie to swing under the frames: put such a model on an R2, and one leading bogie wheel will be seen to be right on the centreline. Since there is symmetry in the bogie swing, that requires a 'through tunnel' of wheel arch for the leading wheelset, and there is no choice in this matter. (Now, I don't think it beyond the wit of man to devise a light blocker, freely pivotted on the bogie centre to prevent light coming through this tunnel: not a feature I can recall seeing on any RTR model. There's an innovation, for OO at least.) Those of us who are eye-level layout viewers by choice are entirely used to dealing with this on any RTR model of a class of loco with a bogie. By choice of a minimum radius rather larger than set track it is possible to at least put a fixed 'light blocker' in place on the centre line, (sometimes it is possible to properly fill in holes where frames or other solid structure should be present) which prevents light shining through. Very satisfactory when viewing the running loco. But it is then no longer capable of set track radii or anything close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2015 The double chimney could indicate a future addition. It does look rather like KEII's stumpy funnel If you get a photo taken fairly broadside on the top of the double chimney is level with the top of the safety valve casing. I can't find a drawing of a double chimney 'King' but I suspect it is not different in height from the single chimney version where the top of the chimney is level with the top of the safety valve casing and the highest point on the cab roof - 13ft 4.75" above rail level (some folk say 13ft 5"). The problem with scanning from certain preserved locos, especially 6023, is that various things have been cut down to match modern loading gauge to permit mainline operation - thus 6023 has a cut down chimney (13ft 1"), safety valve and cab roof - the latter with a very different profile and arrangement from final BR condition. I don't think 6000's chimney was reduced in height for mainline operation in preservation days and it is reportedly in original condition according to some 'net sources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2015 6024 has been reduced in height and width during preservation. Both her funnel and safety valve cover are very stunted in comparison to the originals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted May 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2015 A good reason to actually read the article mate.... Which phrase wasn't there when the article was first uploaded 'mate' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2015 Which phrase wasn't there when the article was first uploaded 'mate' Would have been nice if the point could have been expressed with better grace.I think.Good manners come with no extra cost,do they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted May 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2015 Would have been nice if the point could have been expressed with better grace.I think.Good manners come with no extra cost,do they ? Personally I felt my tone was in keeping with the comment made about my original post but apologies to anyone who feels it lacks grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Personally I felt my tone was in keeping with the comment made about my original post but apologies to anyone who feels it lacks grace. I'm not intending to speak for Ian but I took Ian's comment as a reference to the first use of 'mate' (which I agree appeared patronising) rather than your reply to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2015 Personally I felt my tone was in keeping with the comment made about my original post but apologies to anyone who feels it lacks grace. Oh dear,Andy is quite correct....I was indeed referring to the member who used that term.Apologies if you saw that as ambiguous.If you look at your response icons you will see that one of them is a "friendly/ supportive" posted by me yesterday.I certainly do not approve of the manner in which you were addressed.Hope this clarifies the matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2015 Is that a crosti 9f sitting in the red sample box, next to the other king ? Could be or an undeflectored 7MT as it's definitely a Standard tender sitting behind it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2015 Posted. on The Engine Shed this morning asking if they are going to supply genuine etched plate this time and whether it will have decent haluage capacity with good body weight for traction.....and please could we have a demo of its capabilities under a decent load on video. A not unreasonable request,I think. Promising so far but I'd like to see it cope with 8 Bachmann Mark 1's without undue stress. Yes,I know Hornby do Mark 1's but I'm not about to restock with them any time soon. Eyesight could not distinguish anything in the box,sorry. Interesting,though and groundbreaking stuff from Hornby. More,please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 re the "engine shed" video, great that they tested the kings with an H&M 2000 controller, a nod to Hornby's past products. The controllers were mentioned on the Simon says blog a while ago. (and still good kit). The shot from the tender over the loco was good as well, be interesting to know what camera they used to do that. Excellent publicity on the part of Hornby imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Looks a nice model... even for 6024's cutdown chimney, the Hornby version seems too short. Still Hornby will be correcting it for prodction. Will be interesting to compare the two competing models... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I got advised today in Scoonie Hobbies that all the Hornby Kings are now pre-sold and no more orders can be taken from shops. I don't think there will be many spare when they arrive in the shops and I would suggest a pre-order if you want one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2015 I got advised today in Scoonie Hobbies that all the Hornby Kings are now pre-sold and no more orders can be taken from shops. I don't think there will be many spare when they arrive in the shops and I would suggest a pre-order if you want one. Without wishing to doubt your word that you were told that,how sure can any of us be that the information is correct for every retailer ? I'm sure it is as far as Scoonie Hobbies are concerned as he would most likely have pre-sold his own particular order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Sorry should have worded slightly better they are pre-sold at Hornby, Scoonie Hobbies had tried to order another one for a customer and were advised this by Hornby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted May 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2015 That's good news for Hornby then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 They are available at Rails on their web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Is there anymore news on these? Can't wait to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Is there anymore news on these? Can't wait to get one. In a manner of speaking there is. KGV is not due until August. Kings James and Richard in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 I wonder how this will compare to the other new king coming out soon. The Hornby model does look very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2015 It will compare like a Golden Age Models A4 compares to the original triang Class A4. Unfortunately I believe that Hornby have made a serious mistake in just rushing theirs to get it out before the DJM/Hattons King. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 It will compare like a Golden Age Models A4 compares to the original triang Class A4. Unfortunately I believe that Hornby have made a serious mistake in just rushing theirs to get it out before the DJM/Hattons King. On what basis can you make a judgement such as this without having both models in front of you? I am sure the Hattons King will be excellent, but as there are no finished models of either yet, statements like this are just nonsensical. Mike Wiltshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Will be interesting to see the sales of the Hornby one. Will people wait to see both or reviews of both before making a purchase. Or will some just buy the first one available. Will some even buy all of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Just posted on this relative quality on the djm thread. I agree that it's too early too judge however would be surprised if the djm model isn't more detailed. Which runs better, tbc Where Hornby scores is tts. Would bet djm's blue sells Less well as a consequence (absent KE3 considerations) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) On what basis can you make a judgement such as this without having both models in front of you? I am sure the Hattons King will be excellent, but as there are no finished models of either yet, statements like this are just nonsensical. Mike Wiltshire Seeing Hornby's Pre-Prod samples and seeing DJM's as yet unfinished, but incredibly detailed, CADs are enough that for me. I would like to point out that this is my own personal opinion. I am not trying to force it on anyone, nor make anyone agree with me. I personally believe that the DJM King will leave Hornby's in the dust. Edited June 22, 2015 by Hilux5972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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