Multiple identity account Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 ONE OF EACH!!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2015 ONE OF EACH!!! At the very least. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2015 The model looks very good and £160 for a newly tooled big steam locomitive is probably typical in the current market. The alternative would be a King along the lines of the Hall. The Hall is a terrific Railroad model and I stand by my opinion that I hope Hornby continue to make those new Railroad models alongside new main range tooling but I'm very happy that the King is main range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2015 At the very least. Well between Newton Abbot and Laira they had over twelve so there's a start.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhydgaled Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 and do bear in mind that royalty doesn't come cheap. Royalty meaning copywrite licences? If so, I can understand it being an issue with modern rolling stock designs like the Pendolino and class 68, and with modern-era TOC liveries, but a GWR King? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hornby's idea of BR green is serendipity if their rendering of it on R3205 is any indication of what is to come.Enough said... As was BR's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) As was BR's But never quite as bizarre as Hornby's rendering on Rood Ashton Hall.....and I saw every Hall that ran on BR...but never any in that shade of "green",if that's what you want to call it. Edited April 16, 2015 by Ian Hargrave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) I'd like to know how this model will justify the price tag of £159.99. I looks no more detailed that their other models retailing at £120Because they think people will buy it at £159.99 if they didn't it would be priced lower! Isn't the Hattons one around that price? Duh if I read the header at the top of the page I'd have found out the Hornby model is priced to come in £10 less than Hattons. Surprise surprise. No doubt it's costed to the penny. What cynical.......moi? Edited April 16, 2015 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hornby are mugs if they think people will fall for that. It is supposed to be a competitive market not a old pals club. Perhaps someone will pick up on the pricing perhaps Oxford ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2015 Which one will I buy now, will it be the DJ or the Hornby version. Decisions, decisions ????? Just wait for the magazine reviews. Oh wait..... Because they think people will buy it at £159.99 if they didn't it would be priced ve found out the Hornby model is priced to come in £10 less than Hattons. Surprise surprise. No doubt it's costed to the penny. What cynical.......moi Isn't the Hattons one around that price?I can't be the only one on this page getting Hattons King banner ads quoting £169.99? And what's wrong with competitive pricing? This is business after all. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2015 Just wait for the magazine reviews. Oh wait..... I can't be the only one on this page getting Hattons King banner ads quoting £169.99? And what's wrong with competitive pricing? This is business after all. Oh I like competitive pricing. Try explaining that to ,Bachmann with their 15. -20% increases year on year. It's just like some companies would like you to believe their prices are entirely down to cost and are costed to the penny. Oh we need to increase prices because it costs more for simulated teak or that livery has several tampo passes, whereas the reality as demonstrated by Hornby is they get as much for it as possible, ie £10 less than Hattons 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2015 Why is Hornby the villain for only being £10 cheaper than the alternative, you could just as much ask Hattons why their model is £10 more. I don't see that either supplier is ripping us off with this release, current releases of the Hornby Star which includes some design clever compromises are £135 so given the inflationary pressures in China the price for the King seems about where I'd expect it to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) It looks alright, but I was immediately drawn to the big gap between the bogie and the frame very much in the same vein as previous King offerings, also the wide gap between the loco and tender, i suspect the latter could be reduced but the daylight under the bogie is definitely a concern. I had no intention of buying the Hornby loco and am quite happy to wait and see what the DJM/Hattons offering is like in comparison. Of course the pictures can be deceiving but I am not jumping with joy on basis of that shot, but Dave Jones and Hattons may be! Edited April 17, 2015 by 7013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2015 The front bogie issue is one of those things that looks very bad in side elevation but at normal viewing angles is not such a big issue. At least to my eyes. The old Hornby model shows its age in some areas but I have to say that running the model on a layout the clear sky gap between bogie and body is not such a big deal for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Get just a small piece of plasticard in there maybe? It will allow the bogie to swivel yet block the light.No biggie for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2015 JBM and jjb1970 if you are happy then who amI to argue, of course from a normal viewing angle usually elevated the bogie would not necessarily be a problem. However if you are already talking about sticking bits of plastic on a £160 model to improve it before it is released then I worry. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) It looks alright, but I was immediately drawn to the big gap between the bogie and the frame very much in the same vein as previous King offerings, I thought this new one actually looked much better than the old one. I can't tell from the pictures where the bogie actually pivots but from the images so far it seems to be far better than the old offering - to my eyes at least. Listing "Brass axle bearings" as a "special feature" strikes me as curious, but it's nice to know they will be there, rather than the slots in the casting we saw under the design clever manufacturing regime. Edited April 17, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2015 Actually,I think 7013 has made a crucial point here.I thought one of the main reasons for new tooling for a King was exactly that....the issue of the front bogie.If that isn't correct to proper scale tolerances,then there's little point in a new model.Talk of plastikard gives me the shudders.No thank you. Both DJM and Hornby must get this matter properly sorted....a no brainer,I'm afraid.Fingers crossed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 .the issue of the front bogie.If that isn't correct to proper scale tolerances, But how many purchasers have the luxury of scale curves? With rtr/set track, there will always have to be some compromise with bogie clearance. No one appeared to complain at the compromises when Bachmann chopped the top off the Dukedog bogie to make it go around corners. Mike Wiltshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2015 But how many purchasers have the luxury of scale curves? With rtr/set track, there will always have to be some compromise with bogie clearance. No one appeared to complain at the compromises when Bachmann chopped the top off the Dukedog bogie to make it go around corners. Mike Wiltshire Excellent point. Let's then hope that both Hornby and ourselves meet the challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2015 As can be seen in these blown up images below, the bogie is definitely pivoted from the centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) As can be seen in these blown up images below, the bogie is definitely pivoted from the centre.This was my impression, and as such, is a vast improvement over the old model. I couldn't be sure whether the center of the bogie had the pivot or some kind of bearing plate. The old design is pivoted near the rear axle and the whole assembly flops and wobbles around with a very visible gap where the pivot is in the real thing. Edited April 17, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2015 Yeah the old bogie attachment is a horrible arrangement. Very much looking forward to seeing the Hattins king too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 JBM and jjb1970 if you are happy then who amI to argue, of course from a normal viewing angle usually elevated the bogie would not necessarily be a problem. However if you are already talking about sticking bits of plastic on a £160 model to improve it before it is released then I worry. Was just a suggestion...No need to get all picky! Others look at it as a 5 min job. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't whinge either.....It's a model train at the end of the day! I really don't think you shove you nose right upto the bogie 24x7 so much so that that 1-2mm gap breaks your heart...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted April 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2015 Was just a suggestion...No need to get all picky! Others look at it as a 5 min job. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't whinge either.....It's a model train at the end of the day! I really don't think you shove you nose right upto the bogie 24x7 so much so that that 1-2mm gap breaks your heart...! And don't overreact to members justly held opinions either.Most of us have a great deal of knowledge and experience gleaned over many years and don't take kindly to an abrupt retort such as this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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