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Exhibiting and scrutiny


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Depends on the audience...

 

At the national Specialist Expo - yes - definitely.

At the local village hall show - no - its the entertainment value that matters.

 

In both cases the finest modelling can be let down by poor operation or reliability...

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Yes we are always under scrutiny.  We also need to be aware that the public are paying to come and support our hobby and indirectly to subsidise it.

 

I agree with PLD's comments above but can also say that I've had modelling standards ctiticised and the authenticity of modelsd and operating procedures questioned, usually politely sometime not so.   The hobby is also very attractive to many people who are on the Aspergers/autism spectrum and you need to be very aware of this with some of the questioners.  (As an aside when one of these gentlemen questioned my wife's abilty to make a sanwich at a small show I feared for his continued survival).

 

However in contrast to PLD's experience I once got some serious questioning at a village hall show though in unique circumstances.  we had taken our model to the village that it was based on and some 700 locals came through teh hall over the weekend to see the model of their station that had been demolished in the 70's.   There were many questions and comments, all very warm hearted but the one that was the highlight of the weekend was the lady who had grown up in the stationmasters house and commented that we'd got the washing line in the wrong place.  I wouldn't have missed that for anything.  the model is now on permanent display in the hall.

 

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There can be occasional punters who want to critique your invented creation but many do not and seem to be able to assess what they see (rather what they want to see). I always carry a folder of photos for the awkward squad who will still usually walk away telling me that I am still wrong and the picture of a loco \ working \ building \ feature is fake.

 

I never feel under constant scrutiny or the need to have to defend my creation though. My only inner fear is not putting on a good show and letting down those paying to see the layout.

 

99% of punters appreciate the effort though as with most things, the satisfied rarely tell you direct. What can be noticeable is when you see the same face reappear to watch the layout, clearly interested in what you have produced, always a good feeling for me.

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I am literally in awe of people that exhibit layouts - particularly someone like Ian who has multiple layouts on the go (Banbury, Santa Barbara and more).

 

Modelling Heroes in my book and deserve some kind of medal from the rest of us.
 

To be honest I’d hate to do it...

 

 

Best, Pete.

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Yes we are always under scrutiny.  We also need to be aware that the public are paying to come and support our hobby and indirectly to subsidise it.

 

I agree with PLD's comments above but can also say that I've had modelling standards ctiticised and the authenticity of modelsd and operating procedures questioned, usually politely sometime not so.   The hobby is also very attractive to many people who are on the Aspergers/autism spectrum and you need to be very aware of this with some of the questioners.  (As an aside when one of these gentlemen questioned my wife's abilty to make a sanwich at a small show I feared for his continued survival).

 

However in contrast to PLD's experience I once got some serious questioning at a village hall show though in unique circumstances.  we had taken our model to the village that it was based on and some 700 locals came through teh hall over the weekend to see the model of their station that had been demolished in the 70's.   There were many questions and comments, all very warm hearted but the one that was the highlight of the weekend was the lady who had grown up in the stationmasters house and commented that we'd got the washing line in the wrong place.  I wouldn't have missed that for anything.  the model is now on permanent display in the hall.

 

Jamie

Having taken Banbury to Banbury show and others in the area we have had quite a few people say that they used to live or knew some one who lived in buidings long gone or just off scene. All adds to the enjoyment.

 

We have also had some point out that the 'Banbury' sign on the main building isnt like the one in their photo. This is one issue with modelling a real location - the name board was changed just after I photographed it and used that to do the nme board!!!

 

There has been many a time that such coimments have helped us get things better on a layout though.

 

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I am literally in awe of people that exhibit layouts - particularly someone like Ian who has multiple layouts on the go (Banbury, Santa Barbara and more).

 

Modelling Heroes in my book and deserve some kind of medal from the rest of us.

 

To be honest I’d hate to do it...

 

 

Best, Pete.

Thansk Pete

 

No medal required as I enjoy doing it most of the time. Helps take the ind off other issues not just work!!

 

(its my other half who needs a medal for putting up with me).

 

The majority of comments / critisism is still constructive so the odd one that isnt doesnt really sink in.

 

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I certainly scrutinise every layout, however this is mostly for pinching ideas and appreciating the modellers skill.

I normally only comment if I would like further information or if I see something that would cause running problems.

e.g. on a tram layout recently they had had to make rapid repairs due to transport damage and hadn't noticed some of the road surface had gone over the rails causing the trams  stutter (it was obscured from the operators side).

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I was watching a video clip featuring my layout (Sumatra Road) at Shenfield last month and someone was commenting on the lack of road markings and how coarse the tarmac was. Many streets in London didn't have road markings in the 1960s. The tarmac is 'cinders' which is pretty standard for road surfaces on a lot of 4mm layouts.

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I used to help on a Lancashire and Yorkshire railway based layout set in a fictional Pennine Mill Town.  The title ws a pun on the L & Y  and it was called 'Ellanwhy'.   At one show there was a discussion by two punters about which valley in Wales it was set in.  I hadn't the heart to dissabuse them.

 

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You don't need to go to the trouble of exhibiting. Just putting up photos of your modelling on the web (here on RM WEB for just one example) causes considerable scrutiny. But then what do you expect???

 

What concerns me more is the problem with putting up the best possible pictures on a web site to illustrate carefully and exhaustively designed model railway etched products to help buyers, then have some disreputable people scan them surreptitiously to make their own, clearly copyright infringing, versions. In some cases even for commercial resale.

 

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If you can be open-minded to seek opinions and can accept when it is pointed out that you have got things 'wrong', then 'scrutiny' of your work can only help make it better / more accurate. Exhibiting is one way (but not the only way) of achieving this.

 

If I had elected to undertake all the research for my project before starting to build it I wouldn't have started building it yet(!) as I am still finding out new information eight years into the project. By having something to show people then that can stimulate the feedback comments in the first place. Some things can be 'too late' to work into the model but most things can easily be incorporated. It is important to me that the thing is reasonably 'correct', both in looks and operation, as there is an educational element when displaying it in public.

 

Overwhelmingly, I find exhibiting an enjoyable (if tiring!) experience. It is of course nice to get complimentary remarks but the engagement of people who knew the place in its heyday and are able to share their memories and knowledge can be particularly gratifying.

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You don't need to go to the trouble of exhibiting. Just putting up photos of your modelling on the web (here on RM WEB for just one example) causes considerable scrutiny. But then what do you expect???

 

What concerns me more is the problem with putting up the best possible pictures on a web site to illustrate carefully and exhaustively designed model railway etched products to help buyers, then have some disreputable people scan them surreptitiously to make their own, clearly copyright infringing, versions. In some cases even for commercial resale.

 

Andy

 

What is worse, having your photographs scrutinised and having some constructive criticism levelled at them, or having them ignored?  I go for constructive criticism anyday.

 

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So, let me get this straight, people think that you have photoshopped a picture of a real place to justify your model?!?!?! 

 

I shouldn't be surprised, a few years ago I was at Goathland station and asked where the warehouse and bay platforms were, along with where the junction used to be.  After a WTF moment I managed to pry out of them that they had been up to the village hall exhibition organised by Mr Wurzell and seen Aidensfield Junction, and being slightly dim thought it was a model of what Goathland station used to look like.  There then followed a monologue from said nugget along the lines of why would the NYMR allow someone to build a model with the sole purpose of deceiving someone and why would anyone model a fictional place....

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... why would the NYMR allow someone to build a model with the sole purpose of deceiving someone...

 

Many years back I had a lady ask me once what that cute little freight train carried, and when I replied that it was for nuclear waste she shot me an absolutely black look, grabbed (literally) hold of her kids and stormed off before I could say another word...

 

I've never quite resolved whether the quick departure was because she thought I meant it carried *real* nuclear waste, or she thought I was winding her up, or she disagreed strongly in principle with modelling the transportation of nuclear waste in 4mm scale...

 

:scratchhead:

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Scrutiny, yes certainly. But I would be very disappointed if it were not so. The worst moments at shows for me are to look up having done a move or two and realise that there is nobody watching. I like the attention the models get and am happy to talk to visitors about them. The inevitable questions about materials, methods, whose kit etc are always welcome. More informed questions -"How early did the class 20s run on the ER in London?" - are often the start of an absorbing conversation, although I may be forced to hand over the controller to one of the team so that I can talk.

 

One of my operating team told me that at one show, when he was exhibiting his superb layout he watched a bloke walking with his wife and children in tow. He gestured towards the model and said "And that's O gauge" as they passed without a pause.

 

My own feeling about exhibition layouts is that they all should have an appeal, have a certain charm or impress on some level, stir memories or create atmosphere, be absorbing to watch or paint a picture. If they don't have anything appealing (and I have seen one or two which don't) then I move on, inwardly wondering why the exhibitor bothered.

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Many years back I had a lady ask me once what that cute little freight train carried, and when I replied that it was for nuclear waste she shot me an absolutely black look, grabbed (literally) hold of her kids and stormed off before I could say another word...

 

I've never quite resolved whether the quick departure was because she thought I meant it carried *real* nuclear waste, or she thought I was winding her up, or she disagreed strongly in principle with modelling the transportation of nuclear waste in 4mm scale...

 

:scratchhead:

 

It takes all sorts..... As an exhibitor you have to develop a thicker skin and be ready for the odd (very odd in that case) reaction.

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Many years back I had a lady ask me once what that cute little freight train carried, and when I replied that it was for nuclear waste she shot me an absolutely black look, grabbed (literally) hold of her kids and stormed off before I could say another word...

 

I've never quite resolved whether the quick departure was because she thought I meant it carried *real* nuclear waste, or she thought I was winding her up, or she disagreed strongly in principle with modelling the transportation of nuclear waste in 4mm scale...

 

:scratchhead:

 

There are some truly silly people in the world who are extremely easy to offend, please see exhibit A:

 

http://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/local/campaign-group-is-cooking-up-a-storm-1-6925894

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There are some truly silly people in the world who are extremely easy to offend, please see exhibit A:

 

http://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/local/campaign-group-is-cooking-up-a-storm-1-6925894

Sometimes people don't get offended enough either, there's plenty in the world I hate and get really bothered about which lots of people just seem to accept (don't ask me what, the site probably doesn't have the bandwidth for the complete list...)

 

When it comes to modelling though it's weird, I can very happily watch and appreciate a model of something that I've no interest in or even rather dislike in the real world.

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