RMweb Gold Taz Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 .... They landed on the wrong beach in Normandy which is why they had such a tough time ( we don't need English navigators, who can get lost crossing 20 miles of ocean) .... Eh? I don't recall them ever landing on the wrong beach. They were set to land at Omaha and Utah and they did. I believe that some landing craft didn't make the right sections of the beach but that is not the same as hitting the wrong beach. The problems and near disaster at Omaha were down to a multiple of reasons such as the failure of the tactical bombing to hit the beach defences, declining to use any of Hobart's funnies (specialised tanks), launching their DD Sherman's too far out so most sunk before hitting the beach etc. Remember that the landings at Utah were amongst the most successful that day so they did have the capacity to get it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham456 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 No, can't be, it's Japan that has a theme park where the theme is 'England' complete with imported routemasters, or is new England a theme park also? Dear black Sheep I have only one comment in reply to your comment on my comment And that's _____BAAAH humbug. Sorry couldn't resist that one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Dear black Sheep I have only one comment in reply to your comment on my comment And that's _____BAAAH humbug. Sorry couldn't resist that one Casting for Mr Scrooge for the RMWeb panto is in 2 weeks time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted November 12, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Hi, no this wasn't the one they filmed in the UK this was up in MA or NH . As with some other posters Ive just started season 8 and its all too samey and the director making Mike go over the top with his excitement is getting too much just like the guy who did extreme trains series . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Casting for Mr Scrooge for the RMWeb panto is in 2 weeks time... Oh no they're not! ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The Americans are well known for re-writing history, they have never really acknowledged that : They landed on the wrong beach in Normandy which is why they had such a tough time ( we don't need English navigators, who can get lost crossing 20 miles of ocean) They bombed their own troops at Monte Casino They were told by British Intelligence that the Japanese were planning an attack on Pearl Harbour, but even to this day deny it. They are also so arrogant that in 1976 they celebrated 200 yrs of America, I wonder what was there before ? They weren't the only ones to bomb their own troops, alas, as the RAF managed to do this in Normandy; easy enough to do if you haven't got IFF devices, and have to rely on previously-agreed coloured flares. At least one of the Normandy incidents was attributable to a misunderstanding of the 'colours of the day'. The whole Monte Cassino episode, however, was partially attributable to General Mark Clark's desire to be remembered as the man who liberated the Eternal City. In wasting time there, he gave the Germans a chance to regroup around Monte Cassino; something which, it could be argued, prolonged the war in Italy, (and ultimately in Europe), and cost thousands of uneccessary casualties. Another American, though a British MP, had the temerity, in Parliament, to call the poor sods who were fighting village-by-village through Italy the 'D-Day Dodgers'. Naturally, the gentlemen in question adopted this as their anthem.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The Americans are well known for re-writing history, they have never really acknowledged that : They landed on the wrong beach in Normandy which is why they had such a tough time ( we don't need English navigators, who can get lost crossing 20 miles of ocean) They bombed their own troops at Monte Casino They were told by British Intelligence that the Japanese were planning an attack on Pearl Harbour, but even to this day deny it. They are also so arrogant that in 1976 they celebrated 200 yrs of America, I wonder what was there before ? In 1976 we also issued some stamps celebrating 200 years of America!It's always seemed odd to me that we chose to celebrate the anniversary of the 'American Rebellion'!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Oh no they're not! ;-) You're right, I made it up, there is no panto Why do you have to crush my dreams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 You're right, I made it up, there is no panto Why do you have to crush my dreams? You can still make it happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 You're right, I made it up, there is no panto Why do you have to crush my dreams? That was the bit where you were suposed to say "oh yes they are" and then we go off topic for the next ten pages with panto related responses. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 or is new England a theme park also? Bits of it certainly look more like a theme park than any real place has a right to... Went here on holiday as a teen, and it felt like Steven King land, I was half convinced I was about to be stalked and slashed to death by a vengeful clown, eaten by zombie pets, or somesuch... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Kennebunkport,+ME,+USA/@43.3610498,-70.4764942,3a,75y,277.86h,86.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sy5VS23anK1x9Iue_Oh9xZQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x4cb2a93de32d83e9:0xbc87d64e62c73f1f Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Or here in Wisconsin Dells!! So Independence day really did happen!!! https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=upside+down+white+house&client=firefox-a&hs=5oa&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&imgil=SHzJ4ykRmnQz-M%253A%253BZpITdcIC7ZZbcM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dellstopsecret.com%25252Fexperience.htm&source=iu&pf=m&fir=SHzJ4ykRmnQz-M%253A%252CZpITdcIC7ZZbcM%252C_&usg=__nbllsq2RR3NmsR6o-U4xpBYoBuA%3D&biw=1600&bih=789&ved=0CCwQyjc&ei=X29jVIWUL83laLSmgJgO#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=SHzJ4ykRmnQz-M%253A%3BZpITdcIC7ZZbcM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dellstopsecret.com%252Fimages%252Fbuilding.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dellstopsecret.com%252Fexperience.htm%3B700%3B269 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 What makes you think there are any researchers to get it wrong? PBS are usually much better. Even if some of the programmes they show are a bit stodgy- the Civil War series was about as fast moving as a three day test match- they do seem to be thoroughly fact checked. They (WGBH's Nova) did an excellent one "A Daring Flight" on Bleriot and his channel crossing that really put the Wright brothers' contribution in context (The Wrights didn't just get there first, they really did invent the aeroplane as we know it but that seems not to be well understood) but it was made about nine years ago and there are far more programmes churned out like widgets than well made documentaries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted November 12, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Pacific231G you're wrong, Bleriot wasn't the first to cross the Channel it was Billy Bob Johnson from Braintree Alabama, I saw it on the History Channel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Walters Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 In 1976 we also issued some stamps celebrating 200 years of America! It's always seemed odd to me that we chose to celebrate the anniversary of the 'American Rebellion'!!!! I know I bought a whole sheet for my Father, they were if I remember right the flags of all the states plus the national flag, the postmaster was a little perplexed when I asked him if he could cancel them all with the 4th July 1976 as the date. After my Fathers death they came back into my possession, that sheet alone was valued at £300, I think it cost me about $5 in 1976 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 What passed for history in my formative years was a bit sketchy too. I knew that Alfred burnt the cakes and Ethelred was unready, but beyond that it was all a bit vague. I did know that William won at conkers. Don't forget that Canute held back the tide. I sense "A Memorable History of England, comprising all the parts you can remember, including 103 Good Things, 5 Bad Kings and 2 Genuine Dates" in your formative years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Walters Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Don't forget that Canute held back the tide. Depends who you believe, some say that he was purely demonstrating that he didn't have control over everything as his subjects believed, and was not the idiot portrayed by history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 The Americans are well known for re-writing history The winners always write their own history. The British have done plenty of that too. They are also so arrogant that in 1976 they celebrated 200 yrs of America, I wonder what was there before ? I don't think it's arrogant to celebrate 200 years of the United States (even if it didn't technically exist until 1787). I agree that the way American history is generally represented here is abysmal. Most narratives start in 1620 with the 'first Thanksgiving' pantomime and then immediately jump to 1775. No mention of course of Jamestown in 1604 or the Spanish in Florida in 1565 or in New Mexico in 1598 or any of the failed settlements that occurred before that. I'm not sure why the colonial period gets so overlooked. So much of of the guns and religion aspects of the American culture have their roots in the 17th century and specifically how the English Civil War shaped the colonies. The Anglo-Dutch wars and the Seven Years War were pivotal events too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold lakeview770 Posted November 12, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Oh Come on American history is much better than British history a) its a shorter course leaving more time for beer drinking and b ) its all in colour. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Was it only a coupla years back, when an EMU in the S of England slid helplessly almost mile or so past the station it was supposed to stop at, because of leaves on the wet track? I mention this, because the BBC website did a "technical" sidebar, showing a 3D CAD representation of the coaches - all with 6 wheel bogies. . . . . . . . Andy - who hails from both sides of th' Atlantic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sheep Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Was it only a coupla years back, when an EMU in the S of England slid helplessly almost mile or so past the station it was supposed to stop at, because of leaves on the wet track? I mention this, because the BBC website did a "technical" sidebar, showing a 3D CAD representation of the coaches - all with 6 wheel bogies. . . . . . . . Andy - who hails from both sides of th' Atlantic. Obviously not Lima, no traction tyres! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 We all know that Hollywood hates the British, & never lets the truth get in the way of a good story!! That's why it was an American ship that captured the German Enigma machine from a U-boat, an American pilot who single-handedly won the Battle of Britain with a cannon-equipped Spitfire (amazing that he wasn't in a Mustang I suppose!!) & why the officers of the White Star Line ran around waving guns, shooting Irishmen & committing suicide once they'd crashed the Titanic.... My favourite "all American quote" was on the radio once... "Just what the hell has Independence Day got to do with Great Britain??!!??" But we forgive them much & embrace their Railfans as Brothers because they do have just THE most fantastic trains.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 Don't forget that Canute held back the tide. I sense "A Memorable History of England, comprising all the parts you can remember, including 103 Good Things, 5 Bad Kings and 2 Genuine Dates" in your formative years. Quite right too. "History is not what you thought. It is what you can remember. All other history defeats itself." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 I know I bought a whole sheet for my Father, they were if I remember right the flags of all the states plus the national flag, the postmaster was a little perplexed when I asked him if he could cancel them all with the 4th July 1976 as the date. After my Fathers death they came back into my possession, that sheet alone was valued at £300, I think it cost me about $5 in 1976 Ought not the sheet of stamps have been stamped July 4th 1976? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 1. We all know that Hollywood hates the British, & 2. never lets the truth get in the way of a good story!! 1. Sometimes 2. Always! The combination of these two is best typified by the dreadful mangling of history in that poorly titled Mel Gibson dreck "The Patriot" but Hollywood doesn't always hate the British. I'd say Harry Potter is a good example and there are plenty of others, particularly in the early days. There was a time when many of the better sort of actors and directors in Hollywood were British and of course a good number still are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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