Guius Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 If I didn't know better I would say this photo had been 'photoshopped', what an oddball engine! Does anyone know the reason for such an unorthodox approach ? Best Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) If I didn't know better I would say this photo had been 'photoshopped', what an oddball engine! Does anyone know the reason for such an unorthodox approach ? Best Guy I guess 'boultons siding and contractors locomotives" would have some information on her history if they have a drawing of her, which is another thing, why would they include drawings of locos which were never at the siding? I'm not complaining! But its queer... Thats another book I have to get a hold of Edited May 28, 2017 by Killian keane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) There's an 0-6-0 version here (Clay Cross) Note the wheels on the middle axle are flangeless. I remember reading somewhere that the 4-4-0 version had the front drivers flangeless and the bogie on a fixed pivot. It was later altered to have all flanged wheels and a bogie that moved sideways, but it kept derailing and was scrapped. Edited May 28, 2017 by £1.38 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) Just to add that the "long boiler" design was a Stephenson classic. The middle axle was often flangeless and unusually close to the rear axle . This presumably produced a rigid chassis that could get round sharp curves. They built tender locos as well as tanks on this principle. I guess the bogie tank version would get round even sharper curves. Edited May 28, 2017 by £1.38 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I guess 'boultons siding and contractors locomotives" would have some information on her history if they have a drawing of her, which is another thing, why would they include drawings of locos which were never at the siding? I'm not complaining! But its queer... Thats another book I have to get a hold of It's just the drawing - the book has the Boulton drawings from the Rosling book, and a few random industrial locos added at the end to get the page count up for extra interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It's just the drawing - the book has the Boulton drawings from the Rosling book, and a few random industrial locos added at the end to get the page count up for extra interest. The pages will be there anyway thanks to the way the printing and binding process works so sticking in a few extra illustrations makes a lot more sense than leaving them blank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium maridunian Posted June 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) The two brakevans at Granville in latter years came from the NCB's Cannock & Rugeley Collieries system.... Thank you for this information, PGH. Having recently scratchbodged another Cannock brake van, I'm planning a similar model of CRC No. 2, as Telford seem to refer to it. Did you happen to note its dimensions, please, or does it match No. 4 as drawn? Thanks Mike Edited June 5, 2017 by mikeroch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGH Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Thank you for this information, PGH. Having recently scratchbodged another Cannock brake van, I'm planning a similar model of CRC No. 2, as Telford seem to refer to it. Did you happen to note its dimensions, please, or does it match No. 4 as drawn? Thanks Mike No, sorry Mike, I only measured Brake Van No.4 which was out of use. The other van was in use at the time but I would guess that it would be a fairly similar size. PGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium maridunian Posted June 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2017 OK, thanks. Apparently, it's currently being restored, so I'll ask Telford Steam Railway. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Having been away for a few weeks its about time I added some more stuff to the thread. The Lilleshall Co built a small number of locomotives some for their own use and some for sale. One of the locos they kept for themselves was No 4 Constanance built in 1865 and lasted until 1957. It had been rebuilt by the Company in 1916 when it received new frames and a new boiler. The photo was taken in 1954 by Timm Shuttleworth and also shows a couple of the slag wagons used to dispose the slag from the blast furnaces. The second photo shows No 4 outside the loco shed at New Yard in 1952 with the Barclay 0-6-0 in front and some tanterlising bits of wagons in the background. Photo by Tim Shuttleworth. The 3rd photo again taken by Tim Shuttleworth on 17-5-1952 probably on the same day as the phot above. Engines like No 4 Constance are to me what Industrial railways are all about, ancient locos toilimhg away out of the limelight. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guius Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I wonder what was left of the 1865 machine after the 1916 rebuild? Amazing how long some of these locos lasted in industry and especially steel works. The current Furness Railway No.20 (built 1863 as 0-4-0 tender engine) worked at Barrow Iron and Steel Works up until 1960, all be it made into a saddle tank on acquisition by BISW. They certainly got their moneys worth out of both locos, and no notion of 'built in obsolescence' in those days Best Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Do you have any more photos of those strange slag ladle wagons? They look like they are end-tipping jobs and I have never seen any like that before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) There's a side elevation of this type here, posted by Arthur: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/28782-locomotive-rolling-stock-manufacturers/ Also from Arthur, another (poss narrow gauge??) here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/12833-rolling-stock-15/ Edited June 9, 2017 by Osgood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Ruston re the end tipping slag wagons I will have a look and see if I have any other photos of these. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1722 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Excellent photos and info. Thanks for sharing. Got a Lilleshall peckett on order and hoping it will inspire a micro layout. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaman Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I know that I haven't been posting very uplifting images of the Lilleshall/Granville loco fleet, but I came across an old faded colour print taken by AJ.B Dodd, at the bottom of a chest of drawers last night. The image appears to depict the demise of "Constance" plus another unidentified loco. I know its not a great shot, but if anyone can confirm my guess that the more distant loco is "Constance" that would be appreciated. Once again, in a similar manner to the Peckett, the loco shown would appear to have a removable top half of the rear cab. Below are the before & after Photoshop versions. Steaman. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGH Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) I know that I haven't been posting very uplifting images of the Lilleshall/Granville loco fleet, but I came across an old faded colour print taken by AJ.B Dodd, at the bottom of a chest of drawers last night. The image appears to depict the demise of "Constance" plus another unidentified loco. I know its not a great shot, but if anyone can confirm my guess that the more distant loco is "Constance" that would be appreciated. Once again, in a similar manner to the Peckett, the loco shown would appear to have a removable top half of the rear cab. Below are the before & after Photoshop versions. Steaman. I think you are correct in thinking that the more distant (left hand) loco is No.4 CONSTANCE, the nearest (right hand) loco would be 5 0-6-2T Vulcan Foundry 1342 of 1892. It has the same 14 spoke wheels as the 0-6-2T, although unfortunately the distinctive balance weights on the first and last coupled wheels are hidden behind debris. According to IRS records 5 was scrapped in January 1957 and No.4 circa February 1957 and the photo confirms that scrapping was more advanced on 5 than No.4 at the time of the photo. Edited June 11, 2017 by PGH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted June 11, 2017 Author Share Posted June 11, 2017 Is the scrapping taking place in the New Yard adjacent to the loco shed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 That scrapping photo would make a nice small model scene. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Facinating posts! The grounded van body - bogie mink? Or old coach? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaman Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Wagon Details: I thought I'd try and scan in some wagon detail in an attempt to provide some modelling information. These are 60 year old negs by A.J.B.Dodd that I have attempted to obtain the wagon detail from, with limited success. I do hope that they may provide some useful background. In addition to these wagon views are 2 of the photographs from which the detail has been obtained. These are of Lilleshall Running No 1 the 0-6-2 Taff Vale tank loco Works No 305 from 1895. Plus Lilleshall Running No 11 the 0-6-0 Barclay works no 1486 of 1916. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 14, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2017 Dumb buffered wagons rubbing buffers with 16T steel mineral wagons - wasn't expecting to see that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Dumb buffered wagons rubbing buffers with 16T steel mineral wagons - wasn't expecting to see that!In a similar vein, the wagons on the west somorset mineral railway had sprung buffers at one end and wooden dumb buffers at the other, so did their box tank engines! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Not sure if this image has come up on the thread yet - a nice view of No 7: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INDUSTRIAL-loco-No-7-Proper-R-P-P-C-glossy-photo-/142416526278?hash=item2128afbbc6:g:AncAAOSwbopZQ5vP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Interesting lettering on the Lilleshall Co integral wagons. It seems to be L Co at one end but I can't see clearly what the word is at the other end. Anybody else got a guess? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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