Talltim Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 57303 has a Driver's Safety Device (DSD) (Dead man's handle) fault at Long Rock... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogauge83A Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 But a far from comfortable trip for the punters passengers alas - mind you I suppose washing in cold water is meant to be healthy The ETS was being used from the 57, about all its any good for is being a generator car Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The ETS was being used from the 57, about all its any good for is being a generator car I wonder if a refurbished Night Riviera set up would work with TDM/AAR Fitted locos and refurbished Chiltern-ised DVTs with in built Generators could work in the future? As it could remove the need slightly for the 3 BFOs and increasing the luggage capability, allowing easier en route reversing and the generator could supply ETH if a loco cannot provide (I think the Volvo Penta generators in the Chiltern DVTs provide ETS while the loco is switched off in Stourbridge)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 On a joined up railway, the stock could be replaced at the same time as the Scottish sleeper stock... Although its not actually the stock that is the problem, of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2014 The 57 was providing ETS Not much if it was 'dead' (according to Mr Marsden; does he still go round wearing all those badges I wonder?) - different sources seem to be telling different stories on this (but I think I know which ones I'm more inclined to believe, thanks). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 You could always use some of these class 50's that are back on the mainline looking for work Add the noise of one of those to the racket from all the wheelflats under the Mk3's and it would put customers off for life... . JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Not much if it was 'dead' (according to Mr Marsden; does he still go round wearing all those badges I wonder?) - different sources seem to be telling different stories on this (but I think I know which ones I'm more inclined to believe, thanks). I don't know for certain, but it came from random people from the internet that I trust more than most. Also confirmed by Ogauge83A above. There are a couple of the fGW sleeper drivers on the WNXX forum, but neither was on sleeper shift this week, I think they are very grateful of the fact! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 16, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2014 Hire in a generator car from one of the charter firms? Although that would depend on one being available, it would at least allow increased choice of traction. It would also add weight to the train, but presumably the sleepers aren't timed at full 'express' speed, for comfort reasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Hire in a generator car from one of the charter firms? Although that would depend on one being available, it would at least allow increased choice of traction. It would also add weight to the train, but presumably the sleepers aren't timed at full 'express' speed, for comfort reasons? Now one or two of the Ex EPS power coaches ( Nightstar stock) would be useful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2014 Now one or two of the Ex EPS power coaches ( Nightstar stock) would be useful Apart from needing to be somewhat reconstructed to provide BR eth voltage (ENS stock being to UIC standards for train supply) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2014 Were they not supplying something like 2500v due to the high 'hotel' power requirement of the 'nightstar' stock? Hence the generator vehicles, for the proposed diesel hauled services north of london (class 92s being used to Europe) ISTR a reason being given for the failure of direct services to/through Belgium being they didn't have any locos capable of supplying the ETH (Don't know if this was actually true) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Now one or two of the Ex EPS power coaches ( Nightstar stock) would be useful Apart from needing to be somewhat reconstructed to provide BR eth voltage (ENS stock being to UIC standards for train supply) What about saving one or two of the Irish Mk3 Gen Vans instead? Correct voltage, fits in our gauge, all it would require is UK Spec BT10 bogies? But in practical sense, using a Mk3 Gen Van would take up an entire coach length though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Not much if it was 'dead' (according to Mr Marsden; does he still go round wearing all those badges I wonder?) - different sources seem to be telling different stories on this (but I think I know which ones I'm more inclined to believe, thanks). It was providing ETS to the coaches, if it wasnt then the fire alarms wouldnt be working once the batteries went flat so no passengers allowed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 With an awful lot of work - and it would probably cost too much so very unlikely. Far more likely I would expect to see a change in the type of loco used depending on what's available in the hire market. And also what is written into their safety case- they may not even be able to use 47s anymore... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 The London bound service made it out of the the southwest with 57303 in good health this morning, according to the very relieved driver at 02:34 this morning! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 The Class 57'/6's are owned by different companies all with there own maintenance regimes some better than others and they are also have 50 year old locos so it is no surprise that we are seeing all these failures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardnoodleblast Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Details on that working here, scrol down to post 8. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/16907-mk3-sleeper-trains-bluegrey-livery/ Jim Thank-you for that steer to that interesting thread. The reason I thought this was a positioning move was because the observation was made mid-afternoon. Not of any real consequence of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stadman Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I suppose all the wiring's different etc etc, but for a longer-term option couldn't they marshall the sleepers between a pair of HST power cars on a semi-permanent basis? In a word NO. Power Cars have a 415volt, 3 phase supply for the train. 57's are DC 1000 volt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 What about saving one or two of the Irish Mk3 Gen Vans instead? Correct voltage, fits in our gauge, all it would require is UK Spec BT10 bogies? But in practical sense, using a Mk3 Gen Van would take up an entire coach length though. You probably used one of them on your face shaving this morning. Few being kept in service for Enterprise and for charter rake, rest have been sliced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 Were they not supplying something like 2500v due to the high 'hotel' power requirement of the 'nightstar' stock? Hence the generator vehicles, for the proposed diesel hauled services north of london (class 92s being used to Europe) ISTR a reason being given for the failure of direct services to/through Belgium being they didn't have any locos capable of supplying the ETH (Don't know if this was actually true) All a lot more complicate than that. The ENS stock was built to use UIC voltage but could run on BR voltage ETH as well with power drawn off 25kv ohle, it could also run in theory off 3rd rail supply on former SR lines but it would in reality have been a right dog's breakfast because of both the high electrical load and the gapping of conductor rails coupled with the way the load shedding and supply detection circuitry was arranged. Simple problem was that for dc electrified systems the load, in terms of current required, was very high. Class 92 should have therefore had no problem supplying the train on BR 25kv or in the Tunnel or on SNCF 25kv but there could have been some distinct problems on the 3rd rail. SNCF, it turned out, effectively had no loco other than the Sybics which could handle the hotel load on the train, SNCB had one class which would have had no problem but all would have been withdrawn by the time in ENS was in service but a couple of other classes were deemed suitable (SNCB withdrew from the project for commercial reasons) and in any event the Amsterdam train would have gone through Belgium with an SNCB loco, NS had no problems provided the train would not be stationary for more than c.30 minutes drawing full hotel power as any longer was probably likely to damage the overhead conductor, DB had no problems meeting the power requirements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 57310 failed yet again with the down. Luckily they had the foresight to tack 57303 on the back and it ran round at Swindon. Train was on time into Plymouth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 57303 failed just beyond Taunton on the up service. Some sort of problem with the leading cab. Had to propel from the rear cab back to Taunton. 57603 from down train was swapped with 57303 and both locos took the the trains onwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogauge83A Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 57303 dragging the dogs breakfast that is 310, Pride of xxxx, at Penzance last night before 303 failed at Taunton http://antony-christie.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/double-drs-on-1a40-at-penzance-18th.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 57303 dragging the dogs breakfast that is 310, Pride of xxxx, at Penzance last night before 303 failed at Taunton http://antony-christie.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/double-drs-on-1a40-at-penzance-18th.html It's supposed to be 'Pride of Cumbria' But since the nameplate's transfer from now WCRC 47802 it seems to be loosing it's 'Pride Of' element! Former 'Pride of Carlisle' - ex 47712 Seems to be fairing a little better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Apparently the parts to fix 57303 were on the HST that was involved in a fatality at Totnes this morning so were a bit delayed. The down service is planned to be 57310 and 57603 top and tail hauled by two HST power cars. The PCs are just a positioning move.but might be good insurance! Edit:corrected fatality location Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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