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H&M flash switch wiring


idris

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Hi

This has to be from memory as these H&M units are quite old now...

As far as I recall they are fully cased, so access to the actual switches is not possible unless you open the casing.

If I recall correctly 16 v ac (or the output of a CDU) is connected to the pair of side input sockets.

On the rear (this is where it gets fuzzy!) if I recall correctly there are three terminals per switch. So six sets of three! Two terminals per group are the motors operation feed (left and right) and the other is the return for the motor?

But I stand to be corrected and a picture of the rear would be helpful.

 

Edit to correct typing error.

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The H&M Switch has Three Tags, middle power in, outer tags, Normal and Reverse coils, and has said, if the motor goes the wrong way swap the outer tags over. The motor itself has seven tags 1 Lefthand Coil, 2 Righthand coil, 3, 4 and 5 are a change over switch and normaly used to "Polorise" the point crossing, in which case 3 is the Point Crossing, and 4 and 5 to the respective stock rails, if you get the polarity wrong swap the wires over. 6 and 7 are the Commons for both motor coils.

 With the armature in No1, the Change Over switch is made via terminals 3 and 5.

 I personaly never found the built in change over switch to be reliable, and I have always added a Micro Switch.

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The H&M Switch has Three Tags, middle power in, outer tags, Normal and Reverse coils, and has said, if the motor goes the wrong way swap the outer tags over. The motor itself has seven tags 1 Lefthand Coil, 2 Righthand coil, 3, 4 and 5 are a change over switch and normaly used to "Polorise" the point crossing, in which case 3 is the Point Crossing, and 4 and 5 to the respective stock rails, if you get the polarity wrong swap the wires over. 6 and 7 are the Commons for both motor coils.

 With the armature in No1, the Change Over switch is made via terminals 3 and 5.

 I personaly never found the built in change over switch to be reliable, and I have always added a Micro Switch.

Your description of the switches matches what I've got.

As for the rest, are you talking about H&M point motors? As mentioned, I'm using Peco PL11 motors.

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Exactly.

Effectively the speed controller plugs into the mains, and the switch unit plugs into the speed controller. And they need to sit against each other. (There are brass pins that act as connectors.)

 

To have a CDU wired to the power input of a switch unit, it would mean a bit of internal rewiring: routing the power out of the switch unit, into the CDU and then back into the Switch unit. All possible, just a bit inelegant.

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I know I'm late to the party, but the way I do this is to have a single Feed from the CDU to a Bus bar on the layout from which I run wires to the point motors as a common return. The other feed goes to the switch box, which I open up so that I can directly connect the feed to the centre tag of each switch.

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I know I'm late to the party, but the way I do this is to have a single Feed from the CDU to a Bus bar on the layout from which I run wires to the point motors as a common return. The other feed goes to the switch box, which I open up so that I can directly connect the feed to the centre tag of each switch.

 

You might be late, but I'm even later getting back to you. H ha!

 

Do you have a circuit diagram for that?

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Hi Idris

 

Hopefully this will help - I've shown the terminals as red and black purely to keep wiring simple - being AC it doesn't matter that much, but I find it helps to work with common returns if you always use a wire with 'BL' in the colour - Black and Blue tend to be the ones I use.

 

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On the diagram I've shown the options for each point motor as Blue or red and the switch wiring - I'm assuming you're using passing switches . If you have a bank of them you can run a common 'live' feed into the box and just drop feeds from that to each individual switch. BY using a common return straight back to the CDU you reduce the amount of wire you need considerably.

 

Hope it helps

 

ATB

 

Peter

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Here is a Flash Unit I also plan to use. 

The switches facia post-2326-0-33862800-1458473888_thumb.jpg

 

the innards post-2326-0-74780100-1458473900_thumb.jpg

 

I have some Peco P11s I want to wire to this; red and black wires and a green one in the middle.

Is it red and black to the switch and green to a tag on the base?

The brown and orange wires are the 16V in and out. This Unit is 'powered' from an H & M Controller or 16V supply.

I could of course scrap this/ sell it on, however I quite like its historic look and it will sit with my H & M Controllers that will be providing the 12V and 16V power supplies for my points (that's the plan at the moment). 

Many thanks,

Phil

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Hi Phil

 

Have attached Peco's instructions for the PL-11.

attachicon.gifPL-11 Instructions.pdf

As you have said, green wire to tag on base, red and black wires to the switch tags.

Cheers

Mike

Thank you very much Mike. I shall be trying this out this week. I forgot to mention I shall use a Microswitch at the point tie bar for the frog (on modified points).

Phil

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