BobM Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 Cheers for the comment...it looks as if I have incorrectly drawn the roads onto the turntable here..ignore that.....as per the runaround loop, the 'coal set' is due to arrive and depart from the left off scene area, so my thinking is that I'll need to run locos around to face the direction of exit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted October 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2015 Cheers for the comment...it looks as if I have incorrectly drawn the roads onto the turntable here..ignore that.....as per the runaround loop, the 'coal set' is due to arrive and depart from the left off scene area, so my thinking is that I'll need to run locos around to face the direction of exit? I agree that there will have to be a runround somewhere for the coal/ash wagons. My thought is that this could be imagined offstage, if you want to declutter the scene. But if the wagon shunting is a big part of the operating value of the layout, it makes good sense to have it there. Your operating priorities are probably very different from the way I'd think of running it. Thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 I agree that there will have to be a runround somewhere for the coal/ash wagons. My thought is that this could be imagined offstage, if you want to declutter the scene. But if the wagon shunting is a big part of the operating value of the layout, it makes good sense to have it there. Your operating priorities are probably very different from the way I'd think of running it. Thanks Dave Cheers Dave....I'll have a think about the runaround in all terms of operation....I have just gone and checked and yes I have drawn the sketch incorrectly as there is a a loco's length off my turntable...silly me ! Have a great weekend. Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Guy"s thanks for your praise, Peter I am an idiot! forgetting that loco length before the tt. I know that a very few Western sheds had mech; coalers, not on the scale of other regions and only mechanized to lifting the tubs above the tender to empty the coal. The chaps still shovelled from the wagons and Southhall was the only one I had 1st hand experience of, was Worcester like I described? Kind regards Mike Hello Mike...Hope you are recovering well..... I am continuing to plan the engine shed 'along the lines' of the plan you and Peter kindly sketched out and was interested ' regarding coaling the loco's, can you advise of what happened at southall shed and what the set up was to take coal from the wagons to the tenders or bunkers....? Also for much of the time. did the majority of the sheds just rely on the crews shoveling the coal from adjacent wagons into into the tender / bunker then? Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2015 The setup at Southall in 1965. I hope they are of some use Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 The setup at Southall in 1965. fn215-055.jpg fn215-055.jpg 44-2-18-2009.jpg I hope they are of some use Dave Cheers for these most brilliant images.....I can see the set up that mike alluded.....this sadly may not fit into the space I have available on my boards, or perhaps the region I have in mind, (which is BR western in early 60's) so may have to plan a simple stage or even 'shoveling' wagon road...any suggestions appreciated as always... Absolutely stunning images.... .Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted November 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2015 The setup at Southall in 1965. I hope they are of some use Dave Edited to remove duplicate.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Cheers for these most brilliant images.....I can see the set up that mike alluded.....this sadly may not fit into the space I have available on my boards, or perhaps the region I have in mind, (which is BR western in early 60's) so may have to plan a simple stage or even 'shoveling' wagon road...any suggestions appreciated as always...Here is something a bit more compact at Redditch. LMS unfortunately but I am sure the GWR had similar structures at smaller sites. I believe there was a small coaling stage at Oxford but I am struggling to find a picture of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 And something in between at Straford-upon-Avon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I believe there was a small coaling stage at Oxford but I am struggling to find a picture of it.Bingo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Here is the one at Ledbury that looks ideal. Sadly the loco is inconsiderately blocking the view somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Bear Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Interesting photos unravelled & Karhedron. When one thinks of GWR and coaling facility the type like at Didcot spring to mind, perhaps that's almost a cliche - and it was often less grand. Also, Karhedron, thanks for the link to RCTS photos - will have to bookmark that and investigate in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Well done Dave! that is exactly how I remember Southall, now all you need is to recreate some large ovoids and the almost unburnable coal that Southall seemed to specialise in! Karhedron, I had forgotten all about Stratford/Avon but how about the SMJ shed very interesting place and rather small. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 Here is something a bit more compact at Redditch. LMS unfortunately but I am sure the GWR had similar structures at smaller sites. I believe there was a small coaling stage at Oxford but I am struggling to find a picture of it. Cheers...much appreciated,,,Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 Bingo! many thanks....Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 Here is the one at Ledbury that looks ideal. Sadly the loco is inconsiderately blocking the view somewhat. Such as atmospheric image...Cheers Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 Here is the one at Ledbury that looks ideal. Sadly the loco is inconsiderately blocking the view somewhat. This is just about perfect for what I have in mind for the shed area on my proposed layout....Thank You....This is what I believe this site is all about, the friendly exchange of information is just wonderful.....all I have to do now is get straight in my head how mix in how the coal gets to the staging and I'm 'home and housed' Cheers and regards as always Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 A strong but wiry man with a big shovel is the solution, Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Cheers Mike....Sounds like a job for me then, wiry frame for sure but with muscle currently no better than 'knots in cotton' I'd require a greater amount of Wheatabix for breakfast to be any stronger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Hello Guys.... Hope that all are well and that everyone's weekend is going well, plenty of whiz, bangs and wallops going off around here....(not all of it fireworks either) ! As always would appreciate your input and comments on my current thinking (and that always leaves me with a bad head) for the engine shed / mpd part of this layout....I have almost certainly decided that the coaling route into the yard will be scenic and none operational only, this will allow maximum effort to be put into modeling the yard itself predominantly along with the logistics of any operational side,,,,,the plan that I have almost settled on is shown here.....comments are as always much appreciated. also shown are some very poor images of the points laid out on the boards....comments again please.... There is the potential that if the coal is to be scenic only then only a part of a coaling ramp and stage could be built for 'effect'...comments appreciated please.... Take care guys and as always 'keep out the 'ose road' as is said up here! Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2015 If you used the ash wagonroad headshunt for shunting ash and coal wagons, you could replace the double slip with a single turnout. If you used the ash wagon road headshunt as the in/out wagon line you could simplify it further, (saves another turnout). I'm sure the local staff would appreciate having fewer point levers to throw, and considerably less maintenance. hth Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 If you used the ash wagonroad headshunt for shunting ash and coal wagons, you could replace the double slip with a single turnout. If you used the ash wagon road headshunt as the in/out wagon line you could simplify it further, (saves another turnout). I'm sure the local staff would appreciate having fewer point levers to throw, and considerably less maintenance. hth Dave Cheers Dave, Will have a 'play'...appreciate all the input...have a good weekend....Regards...Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Cheers Dave, Will have a 'play'...appreciate all the input...have a good weekend....Regards...Bob Cheers Dave, Will have a 'play'...appreciate all the input...have a good weekend....Regards...Bob Hello Dave..... Perhaps rearranged such as this, have kept separate the head shunt and inbound coal road..... Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2015 Seeing track laid out suggests a further possibility. If the turnout on the loco headshunt is replaced by a 3 way, the coal/ash sidings could be accessed directly from the shed in/out line. That's if the headshunt can be made long enough for the coal and ash loads you intend to run. Would it be prototypical to have the headshunt 2 locos long, so that an outgoing loco could wait for an incoming one to clear the bidirectional line? Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Cheers Dave....Will have ' a play'..... Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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