peanuts Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 There's some great memories on this thread and I agree with everything On-the-red-line has said. My own vantage point was when we lived in Mossley, line side, from the mid 70s to the end of the 80s. With views of the railway from every window and my frequent trips to Manchester Victoria, from Stalybridge, I got to know the Pennines Traction quite well. Here is some of my notes for the Newcastle-Liverpools. (They are not very good notes!!!) Sorry but what is listed is what I have written and thus any further details would be much appreciated. 31-10-79 (Wednesday) These were all “bashed” between Stalybridge and Manchester Victoria or return. 47522 MV - SB 47552 SB - MV 45027 MV - SB 47521 SB - MV 47507 MV - SB 47422 SB - MV 55015 MV - SB 47483 SB - MV 47517 MV - SB 26-12-79 (Wednesday) Again, poor notes and all “bashed” between Stalybridge and Manchester Victoria, (or return). 47407 SB - MV 47449 MV - SB 47530 SB - MV 47520 MV - SB (A bad days bashing!) 28-12-79 (Friday) All “bashed” between Stalybridge and Manchester Victoria. 47524 SB - MV 47486 MV - SB 47401 SB - MV 47520 MV - SB 46007 SB - MV (For some reason I don't recall to many class46s, working the TP) and this is one of them!) 47535 MV - SB 29-12-79 (Saturday) All “bashed” between SB and MV. 47527 SB - MV 47486 MV - SB 47535 SB - MV 55019 MV - SB 47457 SB - MV 47403 MV - SB 40047 SB - MV 47527 MV - SB (A good days bashing – {on my limited resources}!) 02-01-80 (Wednesday) All between SB and MV (or return). 47421 SB - MV 47521 MV - SB 46045 SB - MV 47520 MV - SB 47255 SB - MV (Not a common Loco on this turn) 40077 MV - SB 47526 SB - MV 47474 MV - SB 47421 MV - SB More to follow, Kev. Edit to add extra detail from another log book. area 55 ticket for a days bashing ? may of actualy met up as did a bit of haulaging my self to and from bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2016 area 55 ticket for a days bashing ? may of actualy met up as did a bit of haulaging my self to and from bridge We must have met. I usually used a "Saver-7" weekly ticket. (I believe Leeds had a similar scheme, to Manchester's, on't t'udderside of Standedge.) Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2016 A bit later, some more typical traction... 10-06-81 (Wed) 47413 SB-MV 40086 MV-SB 45131 SB-MV 55015 MV-Huddersfield 47410 HD-SB 29-08-84 (Sat) 45150 SB-MV 47421 MV-SB 45128 SB-MV 45123 MV-SB 04-03-85 (Mon) 47522 MV-SB 47410 SB-MV 47538 MV-SB 45150 SB-MV 45138 MV-SB 23-03-85 (Sat) 47595 SB-MV 45115 MV-SB 45128 SB-MV 45110 MV-SB 47421 SB-MV 47595 MV-SB 45144 SB-MV 47497 MV-SB 45123 MV-SB 47535 MV-SB 30-04-85 (Tues) 47521 SB-MV 45130 MV-SB 45113 SB-MV 47450 MV-SB 47419 SB-MV 45113 MV-SB 45142 SB-MV 47521 MV-SB 47450 SB-MV 47431 MV-SB At about this time class33s started working to Manchester Piccadilly(!) and sometimes I went across to the dark side to bash them between Stockport and Picc. Kev. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) I'm another Mossleyite..I lived at Tame View off Mill Lane during that period Kev. I had a grandstand seat of the comings and goings. Magical times. Edited January 5, 2016 by peak experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'm another Mossleyite..I lived at Tame View off Mill Lane during that period Kev. I had a grandstand seat of the comings and goings. Magical times. small world isnt it my self and 61623 lived at uppermill right above the goods wharehouse thats now uppermill baths so also had a granstand view from saddleworth viaduct to greenfield station was also at saddle worth schoo; which from certain classrooms had a fantastic view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 All sorts could turn up, the Class 47 Preservation Project Archive has just acquired a view of 47510 "Fair Rosamund" leaving Liverpool Lime Street with a Trans-Pennine service probably early 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2016 All sorts could turn up, the Class 47 Preservation Project Archive has just acquired a view of 47510 "Fair Rosamund" leaving Liverpool Lime Street with a Trans-Pennine service probably early 80s. Hi slilley, I've just checked my notes as 'Fair Rosamund' rang a bell, (for me, this would have to be a big loud clang!). I had a bit of a day out... 29-08-81 (Sat) 47510 SB-YK 55019 YK-Doncaster 31235 Doncaster-Leeds 47457 Leeds- YK 47346 YK-SB I'm sorry, but I have no idea which working I took 47510 to York with. Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2016 “Random” class47s were always a common sight on the TP route, all throughout the 80s, but they were usually class47/4 ETH 'Duffs'. Class 47/0s and class 47/3s were also known – even in winter! Class46s were not unknown, in the very early 80s, but after that they became very rare. (I always thought the Newcastle allocated class 46s were reserved for the NE-SW services.) Class45/1s (also ETH) were a regular feature on the Pennines but from the April 85 timetable changes they began to dominate even more. Some Class45/0s did work too but not many. A typical day: 08-05-85 (Wed) 47563 SB-MV 45131 MV-SB 45142 SB-MV 45144 MV-SB 45133 SB-MV 45121 MV-SB 45125 SB-MV 47619 MV-SB 47422 SB-MV 47513 MV-SB 04-12-85 (Wed) 45116 SB-MV 45116 MV-SB 45139 SB-MV 45127 MV-SB Anything that wasn't an ETH Duff, or a Peak, was a welcome change. My recorded class31 workings, through Stalybridge, were (surprisingly) many. I really didn't think that I had had that many up Platting Bank! 31280 MV-Hudd (Mon) 22-10-84 31436 MV-SB (Wed) 24-04-85 31305 MV-SB (Mon) 14-10-85 31288 MV-SB (Tue) 22-10-85 31451 MV-SB (Wed) 08-01-86 31445 MV-SB (Wed) 22-01-86 31427 MV-SB (Mon) 03-02-86 31460 MV-SB (Sat) 01-03-86 31429 MV-SB (Fri) 07-03-86 31454 MV-SB (Wed) 21-05-86 31456 MV-SB (Fri) 23-05-86 Don't get me wrong. Class31s, working the Pennines, were a rare thing and are not prototypical traction to model! To put it into perspective, the Deltics were much more common than the 31s ever were. The mid 80s also saw a large influx of 'Goyles' on south Manchester services and its obvious that their availability, there, meant that substitutions onto TP services were bound to happen – possibly even diagrammed in. Trouble with traction availability could produce some interest though! (This was too rare though.) 25201 MV-SB (Sat) 14-12-85 37014 SB-MV (Thu) 20-03-86 37014 MV-SB (Thu) 20-03-86 The 37 was rare enough for me to want to sit out the long wait at Victoria Station for the return working. (It was the only one I ever saw on a Pennine diagram and I managed to get it for haulage – twice! Kev. (I'm glad I wrote this lot down because I can't remember most of it now!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Hi slilley, I've just checked my notes as 'Fair Rosamund' rang a bell, (for me, this would have to be a big loud clang!). I had a bit of a day out... 29-08-81 (Sat) 47510 SB-YK 55019 YK-Doncaster 31235 Doncaster-Leeds 47457 Leeds- YK 47346 YK-SB I'm sorry, but I have no idea which working I took 47510 to York with. Kev. Hi Kev Thanks for the gen. I guess the number of times 47510 appeared on the TPs would be fairly small. Just out of interest what does SB stand for? Best wishes Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2016 SB = Stalybridge Hudd = Huddersfield MV = Manchester Victoria Picc = Manchester Piccadilly ST = Stockport OXF = Oxford Rd Kev. (Not much need for anything else on a Saver-7 weekly ticket!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The rarest loco i saw passing my bedroom window was 24082 on a ballast working just after i'd moved to Mossley (1977? maybe). It was nice to see, from my classroom window, 56 077 dragging a convoy of steam locos to the Rainhill commemorations. It was the first class 56 i saw on the line. I also saw my first Deltic on the route; 55 003 complete with FP white window frames. Class 08s were known to occur on Sundays on departmental services. I would watch for hours as 08s and generally class 40s trundled up and down past the house on ballast duties or whatever it was they were doing; I was a young teenager so didn't have much knowledge of exactly what was taking placeSHMD - 45 127, which is in one of your lists above, was one of the 4 train locos, and the one that I had for haulage, from Mossley to Stockport on the occasion of the football team getting to Wembley in the FA Trophy final in 1980. It has a special place in my heart along with 81 009 which took over at Stockport for the trip down to Wembley Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The rarest loco i saw passing my bedroom window was 24082 on a ballast working just after i'd moved to Mossley (1977? maybe). It was nice to see, from my classroom window, 56 077 dragging a convoy of steam locos to the Rainhill commemorations. It was the first class 56 i saw on the line. I also saw my first Deltic on the route; 55 003 complete with FP white window frames. Class 08s were known to occur on Sundays on departmental services. I would watch for hours as 08s and generally class 40s trundled up and down past the house on ballast duties or whatever it was they were doing; I was a young teenager so didn't have much knowledge of exactly what was taking place SHMD - 45 127, which is in one of your lists above, was one of the 4 train locos, and the one that I had for haulage, from Mossley to Stockport on the occasion of the football team getting to Wembley in the FA Trophy final in 1980. It has a special place in my heart along with 81 009 which took over at Stockport for the trip down to Wembley Central. can remember that day very well shame about the result ! did you get to go on the christmas shopper specials run by Uppermill cricket club to Euston from Greenfield think they ran two a year class 40 to stockport via oagb and ashton moss south then 81/85 to Euston used to pick up at vegas and Mossley . if your looking for modeling prototypes dont forget the SO redbank - redhill vans going eastbound usualy mustered a 40 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2016 The Sunday (mornings?) Heaton-Redbank Empties Returns was always my favourite train over the Pennines. Class25 piloting a Class40 followed by a Loooooong train of oddball old-and-new mismatched NPCCS vans. A whole history of British Railways in one train! Great memories. Kev. (I went to Wembley in 1980, (along with nearly everyone else!), but I hitched a ride in a coach full of coppers from Ashton nick. No problems parking though...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 It was a great day. I'd love to know the identities of the other three locos that left Mossley and of those that took over at Stockport. I do know one was a 47 as there is footage of it on the DVD/VHS 'Mossley Goes to Wembley'.Peanuts, I'm afraid I don't recall X'mas Shopper trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60091 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Plenty of memories for me. These were the services I travelled behind regularly during the 1980s, usually Newcastle-York. Looking back through my spotters books the overall impression is of 47/4s in the early 80s, 45/1s mid 80s until 1987 then 47s again, predominantly the surviving GD 401-420 locos. Mention has been made of named 47s on the route. I'd say although not regular preformers they weren't uncommon...They're the ones I'd look out for for haulage.. 47508 27/03/81 47511 47508 25/08/81 47513 04/05/82 47510 07/06/84 A few oddities given the domination of ETH 45/47s 40068 16/05/81 40029 26/08/81 55009 hauling a dead 47405 16/03/1981 (may not have proceeded beyond York) 45064 46051 07/03/83 47074 26/07/85 45007 11/09/85 47061 13/09/85 47330 21/06/86 47277 19/07/86 ...and some photos.. 45143 York 06-1985 45142 Durham 06-1986 47593 Newcastle 11-1986 45107 Washington Station diverted via Leamside 03-1987 45130 Fence Houses diverted via Leamside 03-1987 47406 Manchester Victoria 07-1987 47407 Newcastle 08-1987 47411 Newcastle 03-1988 47542 Darlington 03-1988 why did this loco have the extra bodyside grills? 47418 Newcastle 05-1988 47434 York 03-1989 47488 Manchester Piccadilly 06-1989 47424 Chester le Street 10-1989 47444 Chester le Street 10-1989 47476 Victoria Bridge Diverted via Leamside 10-1989 47512 Durham 07-1990 A poor quality print copy but a nice combination of liveries on the stock Edited January 9, 2016 by 60091 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Hi 60091, Nice set of photos. As for 47542's additional grilles in the door was probably a depot experiment. Gateshead would be my guess as it never had them whilst at Stratford. As it was the only one done like it the experiment must have not been very effective. Regards Vin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hello everyone Network southeast class 47 has running from Newcastle to Liverpool and returned to Newcastle? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) Hello everyone Network southeast class 47 has running from Newcastle to Liverpool and returned to Newcastle? Thank you No not normally, the closest would have been 47406 Rail Riders an intercity livery locomotive, and then 47475 in Provincial trans pennine livery Edited April 24, 2017 by SGJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I cant think of ever seeing a photo of a Network Southeast liveried Class 47 on the Trans-Pennine services, but thats not to say it never happened. They did get up to Scotland and Inverness at times so must've got up there somehow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'm sure I've seen in my notes, and presumably in real life, that I wrote down a duff's number and the comment that it was in Network Southeast livery. I will have to check next week as, this week, I'm in Helsinki enjoying the sleet and snow showers. Very rare but it did happen at least once, possibly more, depending upon the diagram/positioning move requirements. I know I have a pic of a Network Southeast 50 (Double headed) going west towards Stalybridge on a "Crank-Ex" but that sort of doesn't count! Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Trans-Pennine DMUs may have worked to York then, tho I dont recall ever seeing one there. I think they mostly worked the Hull - Trans Pennine services. Certainly never seen them, or any reference to them, working to Newcastle. Before the class 40s they usually had an A3 on north of Leeds / York, and I've seen pictures of exLMS Patriots working into York on them. Also, up till closure in '67, many Newcastle services used the Leeds - Harrogate - Ripon - Northallerton route, bypassing York, and some also used the Durham Coast route via Stockton and Sunderland rather than the main line Definitely at times appeared on trains heading for York, Seen fairly often by me near Colton and Bolton Percy. May even have a slide or two of them somewhere in the collection.. Edited April 25, 2017 by john new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) On at least one occasion a variety of sprinter ran either Liverpool - York -?? or N Wales - York - ?? as I can distinctly recall having one of my first rides on of the uncomfortable things on the way back from a business meeting over the Pennines and writing to complain! It was the first week or two after the loco-hauled's got substituted for DMUs and the start of what for me has been a steady decline in rail travel since. Not because I don't like diesel & electric trains or because they aren't steam but because they are, in so many cases very uncomfortable, have air-bag travel sickness inducing suspension or are impossible to sit in if you have long legs. Edited April 25, 2017 by john new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'm sure I've seen in my notes, and presumably in real life, that I wrote down a duff's number and the comment that it was in Network Southeast livery. I will have to check next week as, this week, I'm in Helsinki enjoying the sleet and snow showers. Very rare but it did happen at least once, possibly more, depending upon the diagram/positioning move requirements. I know I have a pic of a Network Southeast 50 (Double headed) going west towards Stalybridge on a "Crank-Ex" but that sort of doesn't count! Kev. quick one shmd did you by chance see the one or two admittedly rare occasions that the victoria station pilot "rescued " a pennine heading east last one i can recall would be a monday around May/June 1980 around 1900 hrs when a very late running pennine struggled east with a "rat " leading a very dead duff and 8 bogies ? was unfortunately fielding a square leg at micklehurst cc so unable to get any numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 quick one shmd did you by chance see the one or two admittedly rare occasions that the victoria station pilot "rescued " a pennine heading east last one i can recall would be a monday around May/June 1980 around 1900 hrs when a very late running pennine struggled east with a "rat " leading a very dead duff and 8 bogies ? was unfortunately fielding a square leg at micklehurst cc so unable to get any numbers 1900hrs would have been "out of office hours" for me unless there was a Deltic on duty - returning to York from Liverpool. I did have one Rat, due to failure, up Platting Bank - What a riot! I had thought that it had left most of it's tappets, some con-rods and a cylinder on the Bank before reaching Mills Platting Station's tight right hand curve, but it continued onwards regardless! Again, I will have to check my notes but I'm thinking later than that in this case. Totally prototypical though as it happened commonly. I just wished I had witnessed the 24s performing similar duties earlier. (The 31 station pilots also performed this duty too but much later.) Did you mean 7-bogies plus a dead loco? I don't recall 8 bogies except on SO Huddersfield-Blackpool and (I think) some Holyhead/Llandudno trains, which were longer trains. Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 1900hrs would have been "out of office hours" for me unless there was a Deltic on duty - returning to York from Liverpool. I did have one Rat, due to failure, up Platting Bank - What a riot! I had thought that it had left most of it's tappets, some con-rods and a cylinder on the Bank before reaching Mills Platting Station's tight right hand curve, but it continued onwards regardless! Again, I will have to check my notes but I'm thinking later than that in this case. Totally prototypical though as it happened commonly. I just wished I had witnessed the 24s performing similar duties earlier. (The 31 station pilots also performed this duty too but much later.) Did you mean 7-bogies plus a dead loco? I don't recall 8 bogies except on SO Huddersfield-Blackpool and (I think) some Holyhead/Llandudno trains, which were longer trains. Kev. i got to witness the end of some spectacular thrashes up platting bank when i worked the box in early mostly freight related by that time yes meant 7 bogies my mistake and hah the heady days of the Deltics on the pennines especially towards the end when the 8.05 from york on a thursday would muster that weekends railtour deltic doing it test run many a happy english lesson would be spent listening for the distant rumble of the Deltic on the return ready for a grandstand view out the windows of the new sixth form block at saddleworth school thank you Mr Cheshire for picking that classroom + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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