RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted April 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2015 http://www.eastlancsrailway.org.uk/plan-your-day-out/latest-news/blog/2015/4/company-crash-knocks-steam-railway-project-off-the-tracks.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Road Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 That is what pisses me off about companies going into admin or bankrupt - they quite happily take people's money right up to the last dying hours . Hopefully the ELR will manage to recover something and finish their project . M b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Sad news. Moral of story = pay for nowt until it is delivered and checked correct. Edited to add - or pay with your credit card. This applies to every one of us. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The terrible thing is, if they are lucky they might get a few pence in the pound back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The terrible thing is, if they are lucky they might get a few pence in the pound back You are right about being if there lucky. I wasn`t that lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Good luck to them and with the project! I agree re the credit card, I rarely use anything else these days, bit like the queen......I don't carry much cash. Doesn't stop me spending tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 A bit like a current Championship football club, who, on going into administration, somehow managed to end up owning the brand new stadium that had been built for them, having actually paid very little for it. The company that built it, however, went down the pan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 how do you know the bosses were crooked, there could be many reasons the company went bust, know the facts before making judgement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 how do you know the bosses were crooked, there could be many reasons the company went bust, know the facts before making judgement Who said that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2015 In a business situation, you don't get the same protection using a credit card. It is the way of the world now that most companies won't work with you until you have made some advance payment. But if you are going to pay out £18,000, you really should take care to make sure that the company you are working with is financially sound. At this stage, administrators have been called in. That is not yet a liquidation and although it will doubtless cause delay, it is certainly possible that the Administrator will consider that this is a job that the company should fulfil in order for it to remain a going concern. Am I the only person to be a bit confused that they were buying roof glazing from a paper manufacturer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Am I the only person to be a bit confused that they were buying roof glazing from a paper manufacturer? It's not just you, but i'm sure there's a logical explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted April 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 17, 2015 Though it's bad news for the railway it's probably far, far worse news for employees of the Robert Horne Group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is terrible news !!!! It disgraceful the way the business is conducted in this country there's too many greedy people who just don't give a **** about morals. On the other side of the coin though I am very surprised that the East Lancs parted with the money before delivery. I know that sometimes companies expect money / deposes before delivery but some of the blame does fall onto the customer for not checking prior to completion of contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Somewhere under this may well be the positive pr that the supplier could expect from such a highly-visible project/supply with a charity is factored into an advantageous price, but with up-front payment as part of the deal. If the figure mentioned includes VAT then this is recoverable in full, but this depends on the status of the charity in it's activities. Nevertheless it's a blow to the railway in that they are left with an uncompleted canopy and have to find another supplier. But if they find one who steps in and saves the day .... pr coup! Swings and roundabouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is terrible news !!!! It disgraceful the way the business is conducted in this country there's too many greedy people who just don't give a **** about morals. Generally there called banks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Generally there called banks and politicians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I highly doubt that a preserved railway which is as well known as the East Lancs would have been so stupid as to have not checked out a company they were working with, as has already been said the company is only in administration and not yet under liquidation so there may yet be a chance for some sort of recovery. I wish the ELR good luck in there project and also hope for a good outcome for all the staff at the troubled company cos its so hard to get a job these days, I know I'm trying at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Am I the only person to be a bit confused that they were buying roof glazing from a paper manufacturer? No you were not Joseph, more so from myself as an occasional press room buyer from our local Paperlinx branch. However one of the Rep's from that office has been fortunate enough to find her feet at another paper merchant and she popped in to our print shop today. I asked her about the ELR doings and she imparted that signage and display was part of the operation within the group, glazing included. Personally, I can't see why the ELR didn't go down the corporate deal/sponsorship route with Pilkington's or suchlike. Speak to the organ grinder-not the monkey, as it were. (Additionally, I'm afraid within the print trade, the writing had been visible on the wall that all was not well with the company for a while, though of course none of this helps the East Lancs. in its predicament sorry to say.) C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Am I the only person to be a bit confused that they were buying roof glazing from a paper manufacturer? It was a Japanese style rice paper Shoji screen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Such a pity. I would say that Robert Horne and Paperlinx would hardly have be described [before this] as the dodgy end of the market - caused quite a dent in the paper buying market - I think upwards of 30% of the paper in the UK came through the Paperlinx network. As to if it was properly run is another thing. I had also heard recently that their terms for payment were very lax - perhaps East Lancs should have assumed 90+ days on their invoice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Such a pity. I would say that Robert Horne and Paperlinx would hardly have be described [before this] as the dodgy end of the market - caused quite a dent in the paper buying market - I think upwards of 30% of the paper in the UK came through the Paperlinx network. As to if it was properly run is another thing. I had also heard recently that their terms for payment were very lax - perhaps East Lancs should have assumed 90+ days on their invoice.Indeed, the Antalis Rep' told me the initial demise of Paperlinx saw a 40% rise in orders through their office. The customer Base was there sure enough. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted June 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29, 2015 Apologies for resurrecting this thread but it brings news of some help, £10k towards the replacement roof from Aviva: https://community-fund.aviva.co.uk/voting/project/view/627 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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