gordon s Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just catching up with the Hornby announcement yesterday and apart from the obvious A2's and the W1, I was wondering about the Mk1 Restaurant buffet. I see three regions are available (nearly said catered for...) but no Eastern region version. Did they ever run on the Eastern Region as it may save me a few bob if the answer is no.... If they did, were they considerably different to the MR version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 Depends which Diagram this Hornby one is; I haven't checked but I think it is a D24. If so then there were ER vehicles but I have misplaced my Ian Allen ABC Coaches that has the numbers. Sorry. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 Not a complaint as such, more of a coach oriented peeve! Of all the catering coaches to pick, Hornby do the one of which there already is a half decent model (it has it's faults, but it's quite acceptable). I realise from a commercial point of view that it is long lived and multi - liveried so is a sensible choice. Although this will be an improvement on the existing model, it's a missed opportunity IMHO. Mike. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Depends which Diagram this Hornby one is; I haven't checked but I think it is a D24. If so then there were ER vehicles but I have misplaced my Ian Allen ABC Coaches that has the numbers. Sorry. P D24 ER: E1663 - 99 & E1714/5. The Prototype E1700 was slightly different to the rest and there were some detail differences amongst the others I believe? Edited January 7, 2020 by Mallard60022 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Not a complaint as such, more of a coach oriented peeve! Of all the catering coaches to pick, Hornby do the one of which there already is a half decent model (it has it's faults, but it's quite acceptable). I realise from a commercial point of view that it is long lived and multi - liveried so is a sensible choice. Although this will be an improvement on the existing model, it's a missed opportunity IMHO. Mike. RKB (D25) would have been good? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Depends which Diagram this Hornby one is; I haven't checked but I think it is a D24. If so then there were ER vehicles but I have misplaced my Ian Allen ABC Coaches that has the numbers. Sorry. P All regions received Diagram 24 RB 1701-1713, LMR from new. 1663-1699, 1714-1715, ER from new. Many of this batch were later prefixed with NE, I am unsure which were new to the ER and which to the NER. 1716-1724, 1756-1772 SR from new 1644-1657, 1725-1732, 1739 -1755 WR from new 1658- 1662, 1733 -1738 ScR from new Over the years many were transferred across the regions. Confusion arises with RBs as quite a few RFs and RUs were converted to kitchen buffet cars later on. There were no major changes to the RBs. RBR meant they had been refurbished with fluorescent lighting. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 If they've "discovered" catering cars maybe an upgrade to the Gresley version for it's later life might be oin the cards? Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: D24 ER: E1663 - 99 & E1714/5. The Prototype E1700 was slightly different to the rest and there were some detail differences amongst the others I believe? Many thanks for your input. So if I understand correctly, the Hornby model is a D24 and they did run on the Eastern Region. I wonder why Hornby didn't offer an 'E' to go with the M, S and W versions. Is it just a case of renumbering or were there significant other differences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Clive Mortimore said: All regions received Diagram 24 RB 1701-1713, LMR from new. 1663-1699, 1714-1715, ER from new. Many of this batch were later prefixed with NE, I am unsure which were new to the ER and which to the NER. 1716-1724, 1756-1772 SR from new 1644-1657, 1725-1732, 1739 -1755 WR from new 1658- 1662, 1733 -1738 ScR from new Over the years many were transferred across the regions. Confusion arises with RBs as quite a few RFs and RUs were converted to kitchen buffet cars later on. There were no major changes to the RBs. RBR meant they had been refurbished with fluorescent lighting. Also, didn't RBR indicate a refurbished interior with fixed seats? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: RKB (D25) would have been good? Just get on and finish S1552 or is it S1553? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Enterprisingwestern said: If they've "discovered" catering cars maybe an upgrade to the Gresley version for it's later life might be oin the cards? Mike. Perhaps they have found 'a Parkin'? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, Enterprisingwestern said: Also, didn't RBR indicate a refurbished interior with fixed seats? Mike. Might have been, the Longworth book doesn't state that so I will look in the Parkin book to check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Mallard60022 said: Perhaps they have found 'a Parkin'? Now there's a thought to get the juices flowing! Mike. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, gordon s said: Many thanks for your input. So if I understand correctly, the Hornby model is a D24 and they did run on the Eastern Region. I wonder why Hornby didn't offer an 'E' to go with the M, S and W versions. Is it just a case of renumbering or were there significant other differences? Don't take my word for it being a D24 as I haven't really looked carefully at the Hornby pics. They ran out of Es having just had their Christmas Parties? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 Thanks guys. "Over the years many were transferred across the regions" would suggest I could use the Midland version without renumbering. Were they all maroon or was the Southern version green? Just seen four more replies, so will check those.... Make that five... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: 1 minute ago, Clive Mortimore said: Might have been, the Longworth book doesn't state that so I will look in the Parkin book to check. Just get on and finish S1552 or is it S1553? I have just been digging through them and admiring the verdigris on the brass sides...………... Parkin is snuggled up next to me here...…. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, gordon s said: Thanks guys. "Over the years many were transferred across the regions" would suggest I could use the Midland version without renumbering. Were they all maroon or was the Southern version green? Just seen four more replies, so will check those.... Make that five... SR Green. Pretty sure Bachman did one? There was another from way back...….not Dapol but the other lot! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: All regions received Diagram 24 RB 1701-1713, LMR from new. 1663-1699, 1714-1715, ER from new. Many of this batch were later prefixed with NE, I am unsure which were new to the ER and which to the NER. 1716-1724, 1756-1772 SR from new 1644-1657, 1725-1732, 1739 -1755 WR from new 1658- 1662, 1733 -1738 ScR from new Over the years many were transferred across the regions. Confusion arises with RBs as quite a few RFs and RUs were converted to kitchen buffet cars later on. There were no major changes to the RBs. RBR meant they had been refurbished with fluorescent lighting. Thanks Clive. The Hornby pic shows 1671 on the GWR. Any ideas as it doesn't appear in your list. Were they just numbered without a regional prefix? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Now there's a thought to get the juices flowing! Mike. Only if it involves Custard (preferably hot). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, gordon s said: Thanks Clive. The Hornby pic shows 1671 on the GWR. Any ideas as it doesn't appear in your list. Were they just numbered without a regional prefix? Looking at the coach next to it in WR livery with commonwealth bogies and the ETH connector I would guess it is a preserved one used on railtours. in the days the WR was painting its coaches chocolate and cream they had no locos with ETH. 1671 is part of the big ER batch 1663 to 1699, the Longworth book doesn't show a withdrawal date. Edited January 7, 2020 by Clive Mortimore 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/era-system So we have Era 5 and Era 7 Bet that means Maroon and Blue/Grey (TOPS) Not adverse to renumbering to backdate the Era 7 one if needed.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Looking at the coach next to it in WR livery with commonwealth bogies and the ETH connector I would guess it is a preserved one used on railtours. in the days the WR was painting its coaches chocolate and cream they had no locos with ETH. 1671 is part of the big ER batch 1663 to 1699, the Longworth book doesn't show a withdrawal date. Thanks Clive. Apologies, I had number blindness. Blooming' obvious now that 1671 would be between 1663 and 1699......Doh! It was only yesterday that we were talking about not seeing things when they were right in front of you..... Strange that Hornby chose a pic of the Eastern version, the only one they haven't listed in their first batch. Edited January 7, 2020 by gordon s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, gordon s said: Thanks Clive. Apologies, I had number blindness. Blooming' obvious now that 1671 would be between 1663 and 1699......Doh! It was only yesterday that we were talking about not seeing things when they were right in front of you..... Strange that Hornby chose a pic of the Eastern version, the only one they haven't listed in their first batch. Hi Gordon Even stranger they chose a photo of one used for railtours to illustrate a 1960s coach. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hi Gordon Even stranger they chose a photo of one used for railtours to illustrate a 1960s coach. These coach diagrams have been going round in my head.. Unless I'm mistaken, based on the images they have used (which I hope they have asked permission for) i see diagrams 23,24,26 and thats just looking at doors and windows, i daren't look at roofs Rgds Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, westie7 said: These coach diagrams have been going round in my head.. Unless I'm mistaken, based on the images they have used (which I hope they have asked permission for) i see diagrams 23,24,26 and thats just looking at doors and windows, i daren't look at roofs Rgds Mark Such fun (not?) P 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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