AberdeenBill Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Hi all, I refer you to this splendid shot: showing an Ivatt 4MT at New Milton (between Southampton and Bournemouth) running in after overhaul at Eastleigh. Does anyone have any more sightings/lists of "foreigners" overhauled at Eastleigh Works in the 1960s? There also a very interesting shot of a 9F on a New-Forest freight, Many thanks, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 7, 2011 I believe a few Ivatt 4MT's passed through Eastleigh works in later years and most of them did a running in turn on a local stopper as seen here but shots of same are extremely rare. London Transport ex GWR Pannier Tanks also visited the works on several occasions, someone once told me that BR was paid for the work on LT's Panniers in Underground trains for the Isle of Wight, no cash changed hands!! EDIT: Just been looking through 'The Heyday of Eastleigh and its Locomotives' and on page 48, a shot of newly overhauled 75030 shows Ivatt 4MT 43155 lurking in the background. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 43019 ex-works at Basingstoke in September 1965 (IIRC it was allocated to Lostock Hall at the time): https://www.flickr.com/photos/80572914@N06/7464971812/in/photolist-cnDW3y Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 Hi all, There also a very interesting shot of a 9F on a New-Forest freight, Many thanks, Bill Several 9Fs were transferred to Eastleigh at about this time for handling oil trains from Fawley and 92231 was one of them. There's a picture of this engine in David Clarke's book "Locomotives in Detail 7: Riddles 9F" showing the loco outside Eastleigh complete with a 71A shedplate. Eastleigh maintained the 9Fs allocated to it together with some others. You can see the loco has been fitted with the extra lamp iron brackets needed by the SR for its route code discs. Therefore this picture 92231 on an SR freight is entirely legit! And here's a picture of 92205 at Eastleigh, again with a 71A shedplate - http://www.flickr.com/photos/billsboy/4971827511/in/set-72157594413316730/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 I recall seeing one of the blue WD Austerity 2-10-0s on the shop road in the early 60s on one of my weekly visits (my father worked there). Unfortunately I can't recall which one as I only took notice of locos with numbers printed in my ABC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 London Transport ex GWR Pannier Tanks also visited the works on several occasions, someone once told me that BR was paid for the work on LT's Panniers in Underground trains for the Isle of Wight, no cash changed hands!! Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Both organisations had fearsome accounting systems, so a barter system existed, at least at a local level. It probably went on at a higher level as well. When involved on a BR line with joint LUL running, I did several 'transactions' with LUL stores and signalling staff where equipment and favours passed in both directions without money being involved. I wonder what the Post Privatisation accountants and lawyers would have made of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
multiprinter Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Before privatisation I was 'told off' for giving LMR tail lamps to a WR station. It was one of those land cruise type trains with a mk3 sleeper at one end. Those familiar with such things will know that the mk3 sleepers had built in tail lights. There were as a result about a dozen oil and battery tail lamps in the guards compt.so when the shunter at XXXX asked me for a few I was quite happy to hand some over. No sooner done than the manager who was supervising the train(in the context of making sure all the plans worked smoothly) launched into a verbal attack about the lamps being LMR property and I had no right to be giving them away to WR staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 I recall seeing one of the blue WD Austerity 2-10-0s on the shop road in the early 60s on one of my weekly visits (my father worked there). Unfortunately I can't recall which one as I only took notice of locos with numbers printed in my ABC I would strongly suspect this was 600 Gordon, the 2-10-0 used on the Longmoor Military Railway in Hampshire. Gordon was painted blue and has since been preserved. It wasn't one of the 25 engines bought by BR at Nationalization out of a total of 150 constructed. Do you recognize the engine you saw all those years ago in this picture from 1969? http://ronfisher.fotopic.net/p60428988.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Hi, At least two panniers were given heavy overhauls at Eastleigh in the early 60's, possibly the late 50's. They were 7780 and 7782. They both ended up at Weymouth shed and were a bit of a shock. Eastleigh had done a really good job and they were both regarded as "strong" engines and rather better than their Swindon serviced contemporaries, well liked by the crews. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 GWR 28XX 2818 was 'overhauled' aka prepared for museum condition by Eastleigh. I assume this is why the Hornby model is an odd green matching the prototype as painted in Eastleigh's version of GWR green. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 I would strongly suspect this was 600 Gordon, the 2-10-0 used on the Longmoor Military Railway in Hampshire. Gordon was painted blue and has since been preserved. It wasn't one of the 25 engines bought by BR at Nationalization out of a total of 150 constructed. Do you recognize the engine you saw all those years ago in this picture from 1969? http://ronfisher.fotopic.net/p60428988.html Oh yes, I recognise those things ok, we used to have one on the Mid Hants . The question is which one it was - I always thought it was Gordon, but recent conversations with my fellow drivers on the MHR have put doubts in my mind. Some of them are sure it was 601 Kitchener. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 7, 2011 A couple of 8Fs also got the Eastleigh treatment around that time, IIRC at least one was "borrowed" by the SR authorities to work a Sunday passenger train to Waterloo, presumably as a running in turn. I could possibly find a couple of loco numbers if you're interested. Phil - I'm pretty sure the WD 2-10-0 in question was "Kitchener", somewhere in a book (or maybe a back number) I have a pic of it ex-works in the yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Both organisations had fearsome accounting systems, so a barter system existed, at least at a local level. It probably went on at a higher level as well. When involved on a BR line with joint LUL running, I did several 'transactions' with LUL stores and signalling staff where equipment and favours passed in both directions without money being involved. I wonder what the Post Privatisation accountants and lawyers would have made of it? They get distinctly upset if my experience is anything to go by (and it's probably even worse now!). I was one of the first to get heavily involved in hire of locos and traincrews and knocked up simple two page (for crews, four page for traction etc) contracts with the latter on the lines we had devised in the preservation world. We happily used these for 2-3 years until the company acquired a solicitor and she found out about my contracting efforts having noticed the income in an account summary. From then on she had to approve all contracts, and even acquired an assistant partly on the strength of that; neither of 'em understand the first thing about that sort of contracting and basically they sat on every contract draft for several weeks and sent them back with something like the company title rearranged or no change - a right s*d when you were trying to take on business at less than 24 hours notice (guess what I did when that happened ). And you can just imagine what happened when I flogged some locos - deal all agreed within 2 days, my director then gets involved to grab a bit of glory and put his seal of approval on the deal, and then the legal pair take over a month to write down what I had agreed in 3 hours of pleasant chat - producing something in absolutely no way different from the verbal agreements. Nonsense - they're even worse than accountants and thank goodness some aspects of the privitised railway were specifically designed to keep them out (which at least gave my colleagues and I the great pleasure of ejecting one from a meeting on one occasion). Sorry for the rant OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2011 Western pannier 9629 had an overhaul at Eastleigh in the sixties. Regards, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 7, 2011 Looking in 'The Heyday of Eastleigh and its Locomotives' comfirms the LMR WD loco as 601 'Kitchener' although I am pretty sure other LMR locos also visited the works, logical considering they were only just up the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I remember visiting the works at this time; it so happens I found my old spotting books last week so when I get chance I'll have a peek at what was there? I can at least remember one of our "local" (ie Bletchley) to Cambridge locos there, sure it was 75038. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gc4946 Posted March 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 7, 2011 Eric Grace took a photo of 43088 at Fratton depot sometime in 1965, it's on p.39 in the book "Portsmouth" by Michael G. Harvey and Eddie Rooke (Silver Link Publishing, 1997) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 I've had a quick look at my spotting books, found 2 dates of interest. 75013 not 75038 was the loco I remembered. Upload of the 1st date: Sun 6/2/66 Works 2818 15231 20002 34024/090/100 35012/013/030 73018 76019/033 80139 D2179 D2994/95 D3014/044/462/670 D5009/16/19/95 D6501/22/26 E5010 E6004 Shed dmu 1128 15201 30053/67/69/71 30926 31619/809/816/858/873 33006/020/027 34004/018/025/036/064/071/079/088/093/102/104 35004/014/023 41287/294/299/319 45126/418 73114/118/168/169 75068/069/074/075 76009/010/053/056/059/060/063/067 80082/083/096/102/132/142 84014 D2178 D2285/87/92/94 D2998 D6503/05/06/15/21/26/24/35/48/50/75/82/85/87/92 I will post the other earlier date later. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 On Fri 3/4/64 I visited Eastleigh on the Ian Allan Railtour behind 92220. Works 15222 20002 30068/133 31859 34008/011/032/055/057/064/079/082/103 35012/016/022/026 41302/306/309/329 73080/087/119 75002/13/029/072 76033/079 80011/012 82019/027 D2283 D3225/666 D6520/42/51 E5011 Shed dmu1147 30067/069/089/102 30512/548/700/837 31626/629/797 31804/829/830/832/833/836/844/866/868 32636/640646/650/662/670/678 34002/005/016/022/028/035/037/039/041/042/046/048/055/067/069/073/074/084/098 35007/019 41328 73050/089/117/155/171 75005/036/067/074 76006/11/029/032/044/060/062/065/069/082 80152 82002/008/043 92217/220 D3665 Hope this helps. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 8, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2011 92217/220 Evening Star? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Evening Star? Yes. If you read the 1st line, it hauled us from Paddington. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Boyd Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Morning All, during June 1965 Eastleigh overhauled 48408, on 17th June as part of a running in turn it reached Waterloo on the 08.21 Basingstoke-Waterloo. A photo appears (and elsewhere)in the Bradford Barton book "The Stanier LMSR Class 8F Locomotive". It's pictured at Waterloo alongside 34063. Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted March 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8, 2011 I've had a quick look at my spotting books, found 2 dates of interest. 75013 not 75038 was the loco I remembered. Upload of the 1st date: Sun 6/2/66 Works 2818 15231 20002 34024/090/100 35012/013/030 73018 76019/033 80139 D2179 D2994/95 D3014/044/462/670 D5009/16/19/95 D6501/22/26 E5010 E6004 Shed dmu 1128 15201 30053/67/69/71 30926 31619/809/816/858/873 33006/020/027 34004/018/025/036/064/071/079/088/093/102/104 35004/014/023 41287/294/299/319 45126/418 73114/118/168/169 75068/069/074/075 76009/010/053/056/059/060/063/067 80082/083/096/102/132/142 84014 D2178 D2285/87/92/94 D2998 D6503/05/06/15/21/26/24/35/48/50/75/82/85/87/92 I will post the other earlier date later. Stewart IIRC 84014 was the BR2MT tank that received some modifications (cut down chimney etc) for intended transfer to the IoW, which sadly never happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 WD601 'Kitchener' was overhauled at Eastleigh Aug/Sep 1963. BR Eastleigh was contracted to overhaul the Longmoor WD locos, 2-8-0s WD400, Sir Guy Williams, WD401 Major General McMullen, 2-10-0's WD600 Gordon, & 'Kitchener' . In mid 1964, with the LMR still using a large allocation of steam locos, the out of touch heirarchy of BR decided that Horwich Works was to close in the September, leaving Crewe Works heavily overworked, the outcome was that some work was 'farmed out' to works on other regions, the plan was ( we know about best laid plans) that Eastleigh would get some locos from the 1 & 2 shed areas with a few from 5, Darlington, few from 5, 6,8 &9, the rest to Cowlairs & St Rollox - but it didn't always work out that way. How many remember the 'Jinty' from Crewe South overhauled at Darlington, and returned, tongue in cheek style with NE style numbering ( number on the tanks below the crest) ?? You could easily tell the NE & ScR worked locos by the larger numerals. And finally, as I mentioned somewhere else on this forum a few months ago, 84014 was moved to Eastleigh from Stockport in November 1965 with a view for adaption for the IoW,meanwhile 84010,13,15,16,17,19,25,26, & 28 were sidelined for the same treatment. But 84014 was found to be in such a bad condition the idea was dropped, 84014 was returned to Stockport, and immediately condemned, along with the other 9 at their various' holding' sheds in the North. Edit, 84014 didn't go back to Stockport, but was a 'paper' transfer at the end of 1965, after 9B refused to take it back it languished in the yard at Eastleigh before being sent to Cashmores in Newport where it was cut up in May 1966 . So much for relying on memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 8, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8, 2011 OT, but just returned from a look round the works (I'm thinking about joining the MHR 925 team restoring the Schools there) - it's still an interesting place. 1962 Tube stock, the NRM's LT&S 306(?) emu (which might have been built there) and lots of varied stock in store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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