RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted April 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2017 wagons are far more complicated than they appear... Careful, they are highly addictive too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Careful, they are highly addictive too And quite an education as I'm finding out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 All vacuum-braked wagons with 4-shoe brake-gear had them. You can use fine brass L-section to represent them, or copper wire hammered flat; etched ones are available from Cambrian Models ( http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/accswheels.html#tiebarshort ) The retrofitted 9' wheel base 16T minerals had L section tie bars of course so in this case you'd be better with angle. The L faced away from the W-irons. I don't think I've come across another wagon type fitted with angle tie bars. Eileen's do 0.8mm (which is just about perfect) L section brass or 1mm will do. Justin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 The vacuum-fitted minerals with four brake shoes had been converted from unfitted wagons which had previously had shoes on one side only- they were given the TOPS code MXV. Those with 8-shoe brake gear were coded MCV; the reason for the different codes was because the unloading equipment at certain locations couldn't accept one or other type. The MCV/MXV coding depends on your modeling year as the MXV coding didn't come in until the early 80's. Below are some shots of 4 shoe MCV's all taken in the early 80's. B564550 MCO [TM 1-031(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr Note incorrect TOPS code. B569498 MCV [A881B-031] by Paul James, on Flickr B573433 MCV [A881B-028] by Paul James, on Flickr B577188, B577355 MCV [A881B-030] by Paul James, on Flickr B582568 MCV [A781C-14(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr B596290 MCV [TM 1-017(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr Note 10' wheelbase. B596300 MCV [A881B-033] by Paul James, on Flickr Another 10' wheelbase. Now for some MXV coded wagons, some only recently re-coded by the looks of the paintwork. B572793MXV [TM 1-035(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr B576248, B577026 MXV [bBR8 -109] by Paul James, on Flickr Hope the above instill some inspiration. Paul J. 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 The MCV/MXV coding depends on your modeling year as the MXV coding didn't come in until the early 80's. Below are some shots of 4 shoe MCV's all taken in the early 80's. Excellent news as I'm doing 70s, very early 80s... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 John, if you want to get serious about your 16 ton minerals, as mentioned a few times previously in the thread, you'll need a copy of "The 16 ton Steel Mineral Wagon" by Peter Fidzuk published in Modellers Back Track. Development under BR was covered in Vol 1, No 5. From earlier in the thread:Angle tie bar, ribbed brake lever, original body.https://flic.kr/p/kXUUAv Angle tie bar, ribbed brake lever, re-bodied.https://flic.kr/p/dBiwxB 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 9, 2017 Author Share Posted April 9, 2017 48423 Rose Grove May 1968 by George Woods, on Flickr 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 48423 Rose Grove May 1968 by George Woods, on Flickr Note the loco is partnered with one of the fifty 3500 gallon tenders. Recognisable by the larger gap between the back of the tender and the row of rivets and the rivets not being in line with the top knob of the leading handrail. Edited April 10, 2017 by Poor Old Bruce 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Can't remember seeing this one past. Bristol Barrow Road A summer Sunday in 1961.Colour almost faded away. by Pete Doel.........(photting), on Flickr 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bescotbeast Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 The MCV/MXV coding depends on your modeling year as the MXV coding didn't come in until the early 80's. Below are some shots of 4 shoe MCV's all taken in the early 80's. B564550 MCO [TM 1-031(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr Note incorrect TOPS code. B569498 MCV [A881B-031] by Paul James, on Flickr B573433 MCV [A881B-028] by Paul James, on Flickr B577188, B577355 MCV [A881B-030] by Paul James, on Flickr B582568 MCV [A781C-14(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr B596290 MCV [TM 1-017(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr Note 10' wheelbase. B596300 MCV [A881B-033] by Paul James, on Flickr Another 10' wheelbase. Now for some MXV coded wagons, some only recently re-coded by the looks of the paintwork. B572793MXV [TM 1-035(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr B576248, B577026 MXV [bBR8 -109] by Paul James, on Flickr Hope the above instill some inspiration. Paul J. Superb and inspirational shots that will help with weathering my own small collection of Mineral wagons 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted April 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2017 Survivor by Phil Waterfield, on Flickr Seaton Bank by Phil Waterfield, on Flickr Peak Forest Departure by Phil Waterfield, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 12, 2017 Author Share Posted April 12, 2017 Clean. https://flic.kr/p/ydhbkj 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2017 Clean. https://flic.kr/p/ydhbkj And probably the last occasion that it ever was... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Clean. https://flic.kr/p/ydhbkj An interesting set of internal user photos, especially the one showing the Cobra coke containers on ex Boplate chassis. https://www.flickr.com/photos/60699808@N06/21338475651/in/photostream/ Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted April 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2017 6733,Featherstone by Mark Walker, on Flickr Still struggling on by Bingley Hall, on Flickr 45046 at Flitwick by Bingley Hall, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 The mineral in Paul Bartlett's picture is fitted with eight shoe clasp brake gear. With eight shoe brake gear there is a brake shoe on either side of each wheel, so when the brakes are applied there is no force trying to push the wheels out of position. The force applied by four shoe vacuum brakes is in effect trying to push the wheels outwards towards the ends hence the tie bar between the W irons balancing this effect. As far as I am aware all four shoe braked wagons have the brake shoes mounted between the wheels. Gordon A Off topic, but did some batches of bulk grain wagons have the brake shoes on the outsides of the wheels? Not sure if they were vacuum fitted or if it was just for the hand-brake? Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Off topic, but did some batches of bulk grain wagons have the brake shoes on the outsides of the wheels? Not sure if they were vacuum fitted or if it was just for the hand-brake? Bill Totally OT so apologies to all. Yes the LMS design http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsgrain http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brgrainrivetcgorivet http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brgraincgo In other words, the vast majority. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Off topic, but did some batches of bulk grain wagons have the brake shoes on the outsides of the wheels? Not sure if they were vacuum fitted or if it was just for the hand-brake? Bill Because of the discharge chute! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Too clean! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Couple of 4mm ones at the Liverpool model railway show this weekend. Faringdon. P4. Herculaneum dock. 00. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) The MCV/MXV coding depends on your modeling year as the MXV coding didn't come in until the early 80's. Below are some shots of 4 shoe MCV's B596290 MCV [TM 1-017(HR)] by Paul James, on Flickr Note 10' wheelbase. B596300 MCV [A881B-033] by Paul James, on Flickr Another 10' wheelbase. Paul J. I wasn't aware of the 10ft base until seeing those. I'd best go apologise to my old Mainline models being used as paint practice. Edited April 24, 2017 by Satan's Goldfish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I wasn't aware of the 10ft base until seeing those. I'd best go apologise to my old Mainline models being used as paint practice. There were only about 400 or so of them, out of the couple of hundred thousand built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted April 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2017 I also owe an apology to Hornby and Dapol! Even if there were only 400 or so, they are prototypical. Anyone know when built; can I use one on my 1950s South Wales blt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Anyone know when built; can I use one on my 1950s South Wales blt? They were built in the mid 1970s on redundant Palbrick underframes. It is a bit odd seeing a 16T mineral with LMS clasp brakes: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mineralmcv10ft Justin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 I've got 'The Look'! by Arnie Furniss, on Flickr 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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