Porcy Mane Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Ah but, it's not just any old brake van, it's a brake van with the second type of Dowty hydraulic buffers, screw couplings and the joggled handrails on the end platform. Am I in danger of becoming a buffer bore???? And whats wrong with being a Buffer Bore? Although I prefer a "Precussion Recoil Pedandist". You have learned well ...young grasshopper. Porcy Edit: just seen next post. Now off in hunt for more (Non Copyright) photographs. Edited again for Spelling... ...and edited again for missing words... Edited October 24, 2012 by Porcy Mane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Ah but, it's not just any old brake van, it's a brake van with the second type of Dowty hydraulic buffers, screw couplings and the joggled handrails on the end platform. Am I in danger of becoming a buffer bore???? Dave Franks. Certainly not. That has got to be one of the best photos yet for the amount of variety of wagons and the detail contained within. Beside the van, must try to work out the diagram or building date later on, there is the choice of slope sided, standard and 13t wagons and then we get on to a study of the different types of load and how the wagons are loaded. Fantastic. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Ah ha, got you, no the handrails on this lot were joggled out to lye on the outside of the upright , later lots were fixed onto the 'front and centre' of the upright as per the usual. 'Porcy Main' could maybe re-post his photo of one. Dave Franks And here's one I did earlier, Now, if only I had the time to finish it. Dave Franks. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 And whats wrong with being a Buffer Bore? Although I prefer a "Precussion Recoil Pedandist". You have learned well ...young grasshopper. Porcy Edit: just seen next post. Now off in hunt for more (Non Copyright) Edited again for Spelling... A what? 'Precussion Recoil Pedandist' - now you listen to me boy, we'll have none of that language around here.... Dave Franks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) And here's one I did earlier, Now, if only I had the time to finish it. Dave Franks. Well i suppose there's always room for some brakevans in a mineral wagon thread. That Hornby jobby could almost be this one. If it had been the same lot number. Class 20 At Alloa by pinzac55, on Flickr I know I've posted it before... but it's nice and that's coming from a BR green man! P Edited October 24, 2012 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 A restored, rebody. http://www.flickr.co...947/7789208164/ Davey, It's worth checking out the largest version of this image. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmc1947/7789208164/sizes/k/in/photostream/ It shows the LNER version bracket for the Vac Pipe plug on the Brake. Etch etch etch. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) Ah ha, got you, no the handrails on this lot were joggled out to lye on the outside of the upright , later lots were fixed onto the 'front and centre' of the upright as per the usual. 'Porcy Main' could maybe re-post his photo of one. Dave Franks Quite a few different lot numbers had the cranked platform grabrails. I think they were quite common. I've seen them on Vac fitted, unfitted and piped. It’s probably quicker to post a few links rather than go searching for, and cluttering Michaels thread up with brake van Pics. Although some of these links have been posted here previously. Here you go... http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.co...157627339905422 http://www.flickr.co...157624729539114 P Edited October 24, 2012 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Now we have some "extremity identification and train monitoring staff accomodation vehicle" afficionardo's on the thread, referring back to the picture in post #787 Enlarging the picture shows it seems to be a "CAP" vac-piped b/van with r/b's and the side would appear to be plywood - I know certain b/vans were so fitted. Discuss..........................(bearing in mind I seem to have someone else's eyeballs in these days) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Now we have some "extremity identification and train monitoring staff accomodation vehicle" afficionardo's on the thread, referring back to the picture in post #787 Discuss..........................(bearing in mind I seem to have someone else's eyeballs in these days) Not sure what there is to discuss. B951333 was either built plywood, or resheeted very early http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan504/e59ec3b4 but others got quite extensive resheeting later http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan504/e34c3d5 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan506/e2df7d4fb As to where that handrail was fixed, this shows the fixing to the outside well http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan504/e18c9ea7f It seems to be a feature of lots 2136, 2137, 3012, 3129 (not the later ones) Paul Bartlett 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) OK, in a further attempt to stimulate, check out the horizontal planking below Porcy - now that surely is worth discussing................? http://www.flickr.co...157624729539114 P Check out P's flicker photos btw - superb................. Edited October 24, 2012 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) OK, in a further attempt to stimulate, check out the horizontal planking below Porcy - now that surely is worth discussing................? But not in a thread on mineral wagons... Quickly addressing your point above. Nothing unduly unusual by that date. Horizontal planking was regularly seen on end panels. Just as it could sometimes be seen on side panels along with thick planking. Probably a result of accident damage repair, rotten wood replacement etc. Ply repair panelling started to appear along the bottom of the end panels within a few years of building. The van looks like B954220 making it a Dia. 1/207 lot 3129, so built in 1958 I reckon it's at least 22 to 23 years old in that phot. so it will have had a few scrapes. It looks like it has recently had a works visit to have replacement W irons fitted as there are fresh Huck bolts securing them to the sole bar. You can also see that heat has been applied to the bolt heads holding the footboard brackets to ease removal. Also the van may originally had Dowty buffers fitted being replaced by Oleos the workshop deciding to leave them on unpainted Oleo primer. To me these things are just maintenance items that would have happened over the lifetime of a vehicle. Well worth, and often seen modelled though. BUT to my strange mind, these observations are rather insignificant compared to the fact that someone has turned the torpedo vents through 90 degrees. Why? Because if you modelled that, you would probably get laughed at! Now … back to 16 tonners… (Well.. 27 tonners in this instance.) Andrew Barclay 2101 SDSI Storefield 19 - 16th Nov 1964 by pondhopper1, on Flickr With apologies for drifting of topic. Check out P's flicker photos btw - superb................. Got that T shirt some time ago… P Edited October 25, 2012 by Porcy Mane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) But not in a thread on mineral wagons... Quickly addressing your point above. Nothing unduly unusual by that date. Horizontal planking was regularly seen on end panels. Just as it could sometimes be seen on side panels along with thick planking. Probably a result of accident damage repair, rotten wood replacement etc. Ply repair panelling started to appear along the bottom of the end panels within a few years of building. The van looks like B954220 making it a Dia. 1/207 lot 3129, so built in 1958 I reckon it's at least 22 to 23 years old in that phot. so it will have had a few scrapes. It looks like it has recently had a works visit to have replacement W irons fitted as there are fresh Huck bolts securing them to the sole bar. You can also see that heat has been applied to the bolt heads holding the footboard brackets to ease removal. Also the van may originally had Dowty buffers fitted being replaced by Oleos the workshop deciding to leave them on unpainted Oleo primer. To me these things are just maintenance items that would have happened over the lifetime of a vehicle. Well worth, and often seen modelled though. BUT to my strange mind, these observations are rather insignificant compared to the fact that someone has turned the torpedo vents through 90 degrees. Why? Because if you modelled that, you would probably get laughed at! With apologies for drifting of topic. Got that T shirt some time ago… P Really nice photograph, roof detail is great and that guards pose needs modelling! If it is B954220 then it is diag 1/506, lot 3129, and one with that handrail fixed to the outside of the corner post. Yes, unusual to see the torpedo vents that way around, and end planking, http://PaulBartlett....an506/e2d4ccaa4 and end plywood sheeting or partial sheeting were very common replacements, especially on the later built ones - I wonder if the quality of wood available when they were new was poorer than earlier builds? Agree about the Dowty hydraulic buffer being replaced by Oleo-pneumatic. Paul Bartlett Edited October 25, 2012 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Really nice photograph, roof detail is great and that guards pose needs modelling! If it is B954220 then it is diag 1/506, Thanks for the correction Mr B. Typo on my part. Just had to have a shockvan on the brain at that moment as thats whats I was working on... And now that you come to mention it... Timber... there is somthing in the back of my mind... about British Foresrty Commision Timber replacing scandanavian Imported... I think maybe a Faverdale man told me that but don't quote me. P Edited October 25, 2012 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinzaC55 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Here's another of my shots circa 1980 and one from 1979 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 There is a great thread on 16T minerals on the 'fred finescale' modellers site....shows how the range of minerals on Mostyn was modelled. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Here's another of my shots circa 1980 Lovely shots Alan. I assume you must have spent sometime in the upstairs of one of those houses overlooking the yard judging by some phots I've seen? Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 D5811 & D5815 at Barnsley Summer Lane by Tutenkhamun Sleeping, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 28, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2012 I don't think I've put these on before, they are also to be found on my flickr site. Taken by either Dad or I. Chesterfield Class 08 D4032 up goods wrong line December 70 C426 Barkston Class 31 down goods sheeted 16T minerals 1968 DMImageQ06 Pye Bridge 8F 48637 down empty coal Oct 6 J070 Skipton LMS 3FT 47293 withdrawn Jan 67 J747 Note: the colours on this were badly faded Skipton turntable Feb 67 DMImageQ01 Toton LMS 4F up freight June 64 J151 David 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinzaC55 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Lovely shots Alan. I assume you must have spent sometime in the upstairs of one of those houses overlooking the yard judging by some phots I've seen? Porcy No? I have some shots by another photographer taken from one of those houses but by me. I'm bitterly ashamed of how few shots I took of my local line! "Thinks" if you mean the ones of Millfield goods yard, the vantage point was Chester Road East which was at bridge level above the yard. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinzac55/3359346797/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinzac55/3359362311/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 No? I have some shots by another photographer taken from one of those houses but by me. I'm bitterly ashamed of how few shots I took of my local line! "Thinks" if you mean the ones of Millfield goods yard, the vantage point was Chester Road East which was at bridge level above the yard. The pics I was thinking of was a Clayton on 21t hoppers heading east betwwen Hylton Road and Chester Steet East/Matamba Street. There was also a blue 08 on 16tonners taken from the same upstairs window: Then there was a blue 08 taken heading west taken from the upstairs rear window. No worries though. Must have been Ebay... P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted October 28, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Two here from a collection of pics on smugmug I'd not seen before. http://transportsofd...86389&k=nhhFsKf Edited October 28, 2012 by Metr0Land Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinzaC55 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The pics I was thinking of was a Clayton on 21t hoppers heading east betwwen Hylton Road and Chester Steet East/Matamba Street. There was also a blue 08 on 16tonners taken from the same upstairs window: Then there was a blue 08 taken heading west taken from the upstairs rear window. No worries though. Must have been Ebay... P Yes I sold those prints on ebay that must have been where you saw them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 never seen this set up modelled. http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5630919426/in/photostream 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 really nice colour shot, J36 hauled. http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/8113116655/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) a V2 getting in the way.. http://www.flickr.co.../in/photostream Edited October 30, 2012 by michael delamar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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