relaxinghobby Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Bonjours, please pardon my awefull French but I have just discovered this in the Jouef H0 catalogue. An 0-3-0 Kerr Stuart vapeur tank loco de manoeuvre or shunter as it was known in France. For us in the 4mm world of UK modeling the question is as can an H0 model be adapted to 00 use? Prices quoted are from £50 on the Ontracks.co.uk website to Euros 45 on some continental sites. Catalogue number 226HJ2127 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Sorry, 0-3-0? I know I'm not a steam man, but can that be right, or maybe you have a touch of the vapeurs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2011 Sorry, 0-3-0? I know I'm not a steam man, but can that be right, or maybe you have a touch of the vapeurs France, among other countries, always refers to wheel arrangements in numbers of axles, so a pacific is a 2-3-1. There is a good deal of logic to it, since, as you imply, you can generally rely on there being a wheel at each end of the axle! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Sorry, 0-3-0? I know I'm not a steam man, but can that be right, or maybe you have a touch of the vapeurs It's the Continental notation for wheels, using the number of each type of axle, rather than the number of wheels (the Whyte notation). Bulleid used a modified version, with the appropriate letter-equivalent for driven axles, for his Pacifics and the Q1. Curious loco- looks more Spanish or Italian than French. Is it something that's migrated from one of the other Hornby International ranges, I wonder? Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Sorry, 0-3-0? I know I'm not a steam man, but can that be right, or maybe you have a touch of the vapeurs French wheel arrangement notation which counts the number of axles rather than the number of wheels. I don't recognise the prototype but I don't see why not per se, though the platework/tanks look rather continental. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 France, among other countries, always refers to wheel arrangements in numbers of axles, so a pacific is a 2-3-1. There is a good deal of logic to it, since, as you imply, you can generally rely on there being a wheel at each end of the axle! Well you live and learn! Marvellous!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 30, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2011 There was an 0-3-0 in the British Isles, in fact 3 of them were built at Hunslet for the Litowel nd Ballybunnion. Back to the continental notation, Bullied used his own version of it as the merchant navy's were 21C 1 etc and the Leader was going to be CC1. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relaxinghobby Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 Help....... this post was not meant to be about wheel notation but about using Jouef's model of a British made prototype on some sort of British Industrial layout. I used the 0-3-0 in the title to attract attention to the fact that this model is soon going to be available. And now the threads gone of in the wrong dirrection. Now I can't find the web site I first found it on by accident, It was called Triens Historic or similar a French web site discussing models and prototypes. At £50 I would expect the Jouef model tank to be a modern model with good slow running characteristic? There are lots of British prototypes that found there way to overseas railways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 This is where advising you, without one in front of the advisor, is going to be difficult, Many continental locos are built to a slightly larger loading gauge, than their British counterparts, so although only 3.5mm/foot they may still be an equivalent size to their 4mm/ft cousins here. and allow intermingling (although you will undoubtedly need to do something about the couplings!) Secondly don't think that because it has just been brought into the range, that there has been any update to either the tooling or the model/drive system. Certainly most of the items in the continetal Hornby ranges, are quite simply re-issues of the original models from before Hornby bought up the ranges - the only real way that you are likely to get an answer (unless someone has one and can give you actual measurements), is to go along to a retailer who has one in stock and look/measure it yourself - unless you are prepared to take a chance on ordering one, and putting it on ebay if it doesn't match up to your requirements Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 30, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2011 The Jouef catalogue (French version) describes this as "Dessin Libre", which I would imagine to be "Freelance". It doesn't seem to bear a lot of resemblance to the Kerr,Stuart standard gauge 0-6-0T of the Argentina or Victory classes except for the chassis being similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Sorry, 0-3-0? I recall seeing an 0-5-0 Yorkshire Engine Co loco at Scunthorpe Steelworks once! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfy Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Did it have five driven axles or had a wheel fallen off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 A wheel had fallen off! I remember driving past it at nine control with a crowd of rail traffic staff looking at it with our re-railers trying to work out what to do! I was on Ashby Ville top on 'point care' (points maintanence) when one of the new shunters for Port Talbot had it's first expereince hauling anything when it dragged it round the works back to the workshops! The noise was awful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 There was an 0-3-0 in the British Isles, in fact 3 of them were built at Hunslet for the Listowel and Ballybunnion. The Lartigue system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 31, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2011 A wheel had fallen off! I think Jenson Button may have had a touch of that at the British Grand Prix! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 5, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 5, 2011 Bonjours, please pardon my awefull French but I have just discovered this in the Jouef H0 catalogue. An 0-3-0 Kerr Stuart vapeur tank loco de manoeuvre or shunter as it was known in France. For us in the 4mm world of UK modeling the question is as can an H0 model be adapted to 00 use? Prices quoted are from £50 on the Ontracks.co.uk website to Euros 45 on some continental sites. Catalogue number 226HJ2127 The French are prepared to have at improving its pedigree http://littorail76.chez.com/030jouef.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 The French are prepared to have at improving its pedigree http://littorail76.chez.com/030jouef.htm It would seem that it is from Spanish origin, presumably originally from the Electrotren range. With the coal bunker shown, and with a straight (rather than conical) chimney, it could pass for one of the BP&GVR tanks (though they were Hudswell-Clarke or Kitson due, no doubt, to the Yorkshire origins of some of the main shareholders) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 In the French article, the shots with the cab removed show potential as an 016.5 7mm model, with a new slightly enlarged cab. It all depends on the quality of the mechanism, not Jouef's strongest point inn the past. Has anybody seen shots of the actual chassis and motor? Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekday Cross Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 It would seem that it is from Spanish origin HO on 18.83mm gauge track sounds tempting........................... Add some of the old K's Mataro coaches and you've got something really different.B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Reading this thread left me with no choice. I had to get one. It measures 85 mm over the headstocks and the wheelbase is 45 mm. I will try to get mine looking Swedish, but it probably lends itself to all kinds of butchery. Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Nevard Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 This looks rather interesting, I'm guessing the buffers will be a little too close together for OO/4mm, but that's something which could be resolved with some filling and slightly more solid looking replacement ones. A different chimney would help too. Have you had a chance to run it yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turin 60 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 This looks rather interesting, I'm guessing the buffers will be a little too close together for OO/4mm, but that's something which could be resolved with some filling and slightly more solid looking replacement ones. A different chimney would help too. Have you had a chance to run it yet? Or perhaps dumb buffers would be well suited to the curves on the Brewery Chris. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 I ran it for a few minutes on a length of flextrack. Pretty smooth and quiet, but most importantly (I think?) no wobbly wheels or any other kind of wobble when running. Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Started work on the little shunter. The lack of detail on the model is a bonus. It's more fun to add details without having to remove a whole lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Freshly painted and pampered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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